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Sideshow Bob

Sideshow Bob

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Don't like it.

A German should not manage England.

Probly done watching them.
 
Said on the other threads it's pretty damning of the FA that we aren't producing top English managers but it's nothing new it's been a problem for 30 odd years. This is the downside of the domestic league being so strong young managers don't get many chances. I initially thought they'd stick with Carsley but maybe he's a bit to naive on the media side of things.

I can see why they've gone foreign as it does feel like the next tournament could be a bit of a now or never moment for us with this squad as there's quite a few important players probably looking at this as the last tournament.
 
I am not fussed about us hiring a foreign manager, if they are deemed a better fit than the English guys then that’s fine.

Tuchel is a very good manager and has proved he’s a good cup manager. He also has a brilliant squad of players to work with, so this could be the appointment to finally land us a trophy.

I thought they would go with Potter to be honest as his brand of football would suit our group of players but they’ve gone a different way.

Now who are United going to replace ETH with? :p
 
I dont mind a foreign manager, a German seems an odd choice but it doesn't bother me.

I think they should have given it to Howe, English managers don't really get a chance a club level which seems very odd.

As for united, I read it was going to be Ruud. SJR wants ETH out now, but Ashworth convinced him to hang tight but if the need to change it will be Ruud to the end of the season. Their long term target is Nagelsmann but getting him before the 26 world up could be too difficult.
 
You should need to be English to manage England. The whole competition between nations is a joke otherwsie. Everything about England should be English, or what's the point?

Give it up now, the whole thing is stupid.

We might as well just get some German players too.
 
Got to agree it’s a sad day when we can’t find an English coach for the national team.
Be interesting if we meet Germany in a final. :D
18 month contract isn’t long either, strange.
 
Jayc1860 said:
You should need to be English to manage England. The whole competition between nations is a joke otherwsie. Everything about England should be English, or what's the point?

Give it up now, the whole thing is stupid.

We might as well just get some German players too.
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Ridiculous take.
 
Sideshow Bob said:
Ridiculous take.
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About as ridiculous as Tuchel being unable to commit to singing our national anthem? Joking about how he has only got a German passport?

There is nothing ridiculous about my take on it.

You don't understand what international football is, if you think I'm wrong.

The whole thing is about pride. How can I get behind a German manager is this context?

You've lost your way.
 
I don’t think an England manager has to be English at all, it should be the best person for the job and the FA think that’s Tuchel, so no problem in my eyes.

In a perfect world then yes the manager would be English but I’m not going to sit at the end of the WC and think ‘oh crap we’ve lost but hey at least our manager is English’. No we need a top class manager who can propel us to those major honours.

It happens in other sports. Our current English test cricket coach is Kiwi and we are going through arguably our most exciting era of test cricket.
 
You should be watching England in a way where it's special - where it's us against them. Two nations battling it out with our own people, and that alone. Singing the national anthem reminds you of this and to be proud to be English. That's the whole point.

Winning something with a German manager will take that all away.

As far as I'm concerned any win under Tuchel becomes instantly void.
 
Really? So if we win the WC under Tuchel you’ll be like meh means nothing because the coach is German?
 
Yes. The rules have been broken in my opinion. I don't watch football for glory. If I did, I would have switched to City a long time ago.
 
I think once you go foreign it doesn’t really matter where they are from.

I think for international football to mean something to represent that country you should have links to it.

England given the strength of the game here shouldn’t need to look abroad for a qualified candidate.

For Potter it could be as simple as he wanted to go back to club football
 
I get that everyone has differing opinions but I think some of the outrage to this appointment is over the top. Was there as much outrage when we appointed Sven or Capello or is it because Tuchel is German?

I think the appointment is a disappointing one purely for the reason it highlights a real lack of outstanding English candidates. We do really have a severe lack of top quality English coaches. Is it that they don’t get the opportunities and clubs prefer foreign coaches? Perhaps.

I’m not outraged by the appointment but would have been nice to see Potter get it but International football isn’t for everyone and maybe he’s just waiting out for a club role. One that I think he’ll probably get once the PL coaches start getting the chop.
 
There was a big backlash for Sven at the start as he was the first, by the time capello got the gig people were used to it.

Sven I think won people round not sure capello ever did.
 
Yeah I couldn’t remember whether there was any backlash to those appointments - I do remember I never warmed to Capello but like you say I think Sven did win people around.
 
I didn't watch or support England during either of their tenures. I won't support Tuchel either.

Him being German means nothing to me - it's the simple fact he's the wrong nationality. I have said on here I would have liked him to be our next coach, there is no hatred for him whatsoever.
 
I’ll still support them just feel it’s a bit wrong,

Fixing the production line for English managers going forward is the next big challenge for the FA.
 
O-Dog said:
What is this obsession with singing the national anthem? Always struck me as weird.
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Winds the Aussies up something rotten when you sing the altered version in the MCG/SCG - the Barmy Army in full voice against 80,000 Aussies booing in the MCG. Great feeling. :)
 
the anthem is apalling anyway, not a belter like the French.

Two of the players played for Ireland, is that reason not to support the team?
 
Mr C said:
the anthem is apalling anyway, not a belter like the French.

Two of the players played for Ireland, is that reason not to support the team?
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Yeah if you object to a foreign manager then you shouldn’t support the team with players who weren’t even born in the country or have played for another country.

Hargreaves, Sterling, Zaha, Barnes are a few I can think of that were born in other countries. Then you have Guehi not born in England but now a regular fixture in the team. Then like MrC mentioned Grealish and Rice who played for Ireland youth or senior teams.

Where does your objection to foreign influence begin and end?
 
What don't you people get about it? A German has been appointed ENGLAND team leader/coach/manager in international competition. I just can't help you out if you don't see how wrong that is. Are you all so desperate to win something that this is acceptable to you? Clearly, yes. I'm unwilling to put it down to it being 2024 and this sort of thing is acceptable now. What a load of rubbish.

It doesn't bother me what you do though, carry on supporting England or don't, it's no skin off my nose.
 
I couldn’t care less about the nationality of the England manager. I want the person for the job in charge.
 
When the ladies got victory no one was saying 'but that manager wasn't english was she'?
 
Sideshow Bob said:
I couldn’t care less about the nationality of the England manager. I want the person for the job in charge.
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You're applying business logic to a football competiton.

It's honestly not worth continuing the conversation, because you all know what I'm saying is right, you're just choosing to ignore it because it suits our team in terms of winning something.

I refuse to.
 
Well we can remain a country with no face under your guidance, that's for sure.

Let's just forget who we are and employ what's available. It's a great way to keep the rot growing.

If we win the world cup it will mean nothing to so many people like me, so the appointment is damaging, but you fail to see that.

For example, If we beat Germany in the final it will be forever said we couldn't do it without one of their country men. A shallow victory and meaningless.
 
Jayc1860 said:
You're applying business logic to a football competiton.

It's honestly not worth continuing the conversation, because you all know what I'm saying is right, you're just choosing to ignore it because it suits our team in terms of winning something.

I refuse to.
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What you’re saying isn’t right, it’s an opinion.

And if England win the WC then it’s not like Tuchel doing it on his own - it’s mostly down to the players on the pitch. So to say it would mean nothing would be very disrespectful to the players.
 
SuperRash said:
What you’re saying isn’t right, it’s an opinion.

And if England win the WC then it’s not like Tuchel doing it on his own - it’s mostly down to the players on the pitch. So to say it would mean nothing would be very disrespectful to the players.
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Don't get me wrong, I understand I only have an opinion just lke you in 99% of things. I just feel strongly in this case that I'm right because I am. I've explained it before and it's very simple. International football is about two countries/nations competing against one another. It's just that simple and the rules are clear. I didn't make them up they are known the world over.

It's not just me that is saying this.
 
Jayc1860 said:
Don't get me wrong, I understand I only have an opinion just lke you in 99% of things. I just feel strongly in this case that I'm right because I am. I've explained it before and it's very simple. International football is about two countries/nations competing against one another. It's just that simple and the rules are clear. I didn't make them up they are known the world over.

It's not just me that is saying this.
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Even though I agree with your point if it was going to be that simple there would be rules that apply to managers in the same way they apply to players but the rules don't go to a point where we stop managers managing outside their nationality.

Personally I feel a nation the size of England shouldn't need to outsource the job to a foreign manager but the reality is we probably do because we aren't producing enough top managers.

As I said about I don't agree with it but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
 
jsp said:
Even though I agree with your point if it was going to be that simple there would be rules that apply to managers in the same way they apply to players but the rules don't go to a point where we stop managers managing outside their nationality.

Personally I feel a nation the size of England shouldn't need to outsource the job to a foreign manager but the reality is we probably do because we aren't producing enough top managers.

As I said about I don't agree with it but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
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I guess you could say I'm being a little black and white about it all.

It's just a shame that we've got this great squad available and we've not given an English coach the riegns to go win something with it.

That would be a glorious win that we could all be very proud of.
 
Jayc1860 said:
I guess you could say I'm being a little black and white about it all.

It's just a shame that we've got this great squad available and we've not given an English coach the riegns to go win something with it.

That would be a glorious win that we could all be very proud of.
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I think we are just at a point where this group of players deserve a top class manager and we just don't have one to give the job to at the moment.

Howe and Potter are the only managers with some decent experience and we don't know if either wanted the job.

Not sure it would taint a win if we won it with a German in charge.
 

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