Bruno Fernandes | Match Discussion Thread 2024/25

Man Utd vs Twente

He’s been well below his best all season.

It’s a problem because when others don’t perform they get subbed or dropped. Bruno does not.

Had a big chance at the end but missed the target and that free kick attempt was embarrassing
 
I’ve always said however much I’ve liked him as a player, I wouldn’t be that sad to see him leave the club. I think for me that shows how inconsistent he can be.

Still can be a brilliant creative force but right now looks a little devoid of confidence and his finishing is a little off.
 
I would hate to see him go and it truly baffles me peoples attitude towards him. People call him inconsistent but he's been by far our most consistent player for seasons.

Be a travesty to see him go but I can't see it happening thankfully and the replacement is going to be a much poorer player who fans will moan about losing the ball a lot. Guess what the best player in the world at the position loses the ball alot.
 
That’s a very low bar to compare him against though.

In the last 4 seasons including this one I think we’ve had 1 proper spell of Bruno at close to his best. He finished last season really strong from about Feb onwards he was consistently good the rest he’s really struggled.

But he does have bad games and Utd have to be willing to sub him when that’s happening. Surely that is Mount’s role in this squad?

Selling him in the summer would have only made sense if we got a silly offer which was unlikely.

Everyone focuses on his passing stats but the alarm for me is his finishing. He was so good in his first few seasons that has now gone he isn’t taking his chances.

Again last night he gets a good chance and misses the target. He’s on the big boy wages now these chances either need to be finding the net or forcing great saves from the keeper.
 
If it's a low bar or not it makes him the least player to be looking to replace in one of the most expensive positions to replace where there are also very little upgrades on him in world football.

I dont think Bruno is often judged fairly on his performances people see other stuff they dont like about him and knock a point off before he's even started.
 
It's not working with him, however good he is. He is not good in this team - currently

Maybe we need a different formation, without him, who knows, I'm not a coach on millions.

To be honest, I don't care who stays, who leaves, playing and coaches, who's picked, who's left out.

It's too long now, trotting out the same excuses.

I'm fed up, things need to change, and fast.

We've gone from a top 2 team, to a top 4 team, to a top 6 team and now a top 10 team

can you imagine Madrid, Barca, Munich etc putting up with this.
 
IDFD said:
If it's a low bar or not it makes him the least player to be looking to replace in one of the most expensive positions to replace where there are also very little upgrades on him in world football.

I dont think Bruno is often judged fairly on his performances people see other stuff they dont like about him and knock a point off before he's even started.
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It is such a vital position though if Bruno isn’t consistently delivering that is a big problem for the team.

There are some people who just don’t like him and there’s loads and loads to like about him. Off the ball he works his nuts off and creates lots of chances which is all positive.

I know you are a fan but surely even you can recognise his finishing hasn’t been good enough for his own standards.

His role needs to deliver goals as he’s getting chances 3 or 4 a game by the stats. According to Opta he’s missed 3 big chances in 5 games looking back he normally misses 6 or 7 a season.

He needs to sharpen up.

As for his future he’s a player who’s unlikely to improve and more likely to slow down as we ask a lot from him. We need to manage his playing time a bit more but we also need Bruno to start being closer to his best.
 
nobody is buying Bruno.

i really don't like him, but I do see he can be brilliant. So when he's on form I want him in the team. Currently he's not, in application or decisions.
 
I don’t think if he left Utd he’s going to a top club but there’s a lot of clubs that would take him.

He’s with us for at least this season and next so we just need him to be at his best more often
 
IDFD said:
I would hate to see him go and it truly baffles me peoples attitude towards him. People call him inconsistent but he's been by far our most consistent player for seasons.

Be a travesty to see him go but I can't see it happening thankfully and the replacement is going to be a much poorer player who fans will moan about losing the ball a lot. Guess what the best player in the world at the position loses the ball alot.
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I think there is no comparison between De Bruyne and Bruno - the stats may suggest a positive position for Bruno but the eyes suggest something very different.

De Bruyne of course gives the ball away - all creative midfielders will. However, they are a class apart in reality when you judge it on the pitch. It’s not just the assists De Bruyne produces but it’s his ability to just do the simple things well - I don’t see that with Bruno. He’s not a bad player by any stretch and he’s had great moments with us and probably will do again but I think we could get a replacement who would be his equal or better - he’s definitely not irreplaceable.
 
SuperRash said:
De Bruyne of course gives the ball away - all creative midfielders will. However, they are a class apart in reality when you judge it on the pitch. It’s not just the assists De Bruyne produces but it’s his ability to just do the simple things well - I don’t see that with Bruno. He’s not a bad player by any stretch and he’s had great moments with us and probably will do again but I think we could get a replacement who would be his equal or better - he’s definitely not irreplaceable.
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Who? Realistically who in world football can we go out and get that's better than Bruno in Brunos position? I mean there are probably only a handful of players better than Bruno in his position and we aren't getting any of em. Out of interest I did a quick google to see who the top 10 rated AM's are.

The list had it:

Bellingham
Musiala
Foden
De Bruyne (Lol)
Wirtz
Odegaard
Bruno

the next list had it:

Bellingham
De Bruyne
Foden
Odegaard
Musiala
Bruno

Now i'm not generally a fan of these list but it highlights the very few names out there considered up there with Bruno. On those list you could perhaps argue we could sign Wirtz. But where is that money coming from? Madrid, Liverpool, Arsenal and Munich are in for him and they're apparently wanting £120m
 
I don't think I would put Bruno in with those.

Or rather, I would swap Bruno with any of those at the drop of a hat. I'm not sure the fans at those clubs would take Bruno over their player.

But I guess thats just me.
 
IDFD said:
Who? Realistically who in world football can we go out and get that's better than Bruno in Brunos position? I mean there are probably only a handful of players better than Bruno in his position and we aren't getting any of em. Out of interest I did a quick google to see who the top 10 rated AM's are.

The list had it:

Bellingham
Musiala
Foden
De Bruyne (Lol)
Wirtz
Odegaard
Bruno

the next list had it:

Bellingham
De Bruyne
Foden
Odegaard
Musiala
Bruno

Now i'm not generally a fan of these list but it highlights the very few names out there considered up there with Bruno. On those list you could perhaps argue we could sign Wirtz. But where is that money coming from? Madrid, Liverpool, Arsenal and Munich are in for him and they're apparently wanting £120m
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I guess it’s not as easy as just saying sell Bruno and replace him for a like for like. There are many ways to replace him, you could go like for like or you could bring in someone who may sit a little deeper and pack the midfield into 3 a lot like Liverpool did with Wijnaldum, Henderson and Fabinho. That way those three rotate, I am thinking someone of the Morgan Rogers ilk. So replacing him with someone that has a slightly different profile could be better for the team.

If you were picking from the lists you put up then yeah it’s probably only Wirtz which is attainable and like you say he would be for a huge fee. Then I guess below that you’re looking at someone like Xavi Simons.
 
Mr C said:
I don't think I would put Bruno in with those.

Or rather, I would swap Bruno with any of those at the drop of a hat. I'm not sure the fans at those clubs would take Bruno over their player.

But I guess thats just me.
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I wouldn't take Bellingham or Odegaard over him currently. You'd do it with Bellingham because of age.

Bruno is actually very highly rated outside of United fans. De Bruyne just last season said he's the best creative mid in the prem ahead of Odegaard.

Bellingham had a great season in Madrid but I dont think that's going to be consistent from him. Need to see more of it because we saw at the Euros he never really made it work in another system trying to play that role.

I haven't seen enough of Wirtz or Musiala week in week out to know. But seems like been there tried that with Kagawa and Mhki.
 
SuperRash said:
I guess it’s not as easy as just saying sell Bruno and replace him for a like for like. There are many ways to replace him, you could go like for like or you could bring in someone who may sit a little deeper and pack the midfield into 3 a lot like Liverpool did with Wijnaldum, Henderson and Fabinho. That way those three rotate, I am thinking someone of the Morgan Rogers ilk. So replacing him with someone that has a slightly different profile could be better for the team.

If you were picking from the lists you put up then yeah it’s probably only Wirtz which is attainable and like you say he would be for a huge fee. Then I guess below that you’re looking at someone like Xavi Simons.
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Not sure taking our main provider out of the team and replacing him with someone that doesn't provide chances would be my favourite idea.

We have enough trouble as it is without weakening the side because Bruno strops a bit.
 
I watched a lot of Bellingham last season, he is unreal.

The problem he had last 5 - 10 games and the Euro's, he was exhausted. Played too much

If Munich, Madrid or Barca wanted Bruno, they could have got him this summer, they didn't want him so he got a new deal.

And I don't go with take Bruno out we don't create. We would play differently, so it's impossible to say.

I understate Bruno, and you overstate him.

On his day, he's a good player, but those days are getting fewer and fewer. We shouldn't have given him a new deal. We now have another player on a huge wage not performing. I said at the time, we were rewarding failure, giving anybody a huge pay rise after the worst season in prem history sends the wrong message
 
At his best he’s in that list but the point is we are now 7 games into the season and I don’t think we’ve had an 8/10 performance from him yet.

He needs to find form
 
He's knackered and cosily settling into a brand new contract.

Nobody else around him is that good, so I think he has just given up on the 'project'.
 
IDFD said:
Not sure taking our main provider out of the team and replacing him with someone that doesn't provide chances would be my favourite idea.

We have enough trouble as it is without weakening the side because Bruno strops a bit.
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I for one don’t base the fact he can be a little stroppy on my overall opinion of him. I judge what I am seeing on the pitch at the moment and it’s not particularly positive.

I see a lot of the arguments for Bruno on ‘oh he gives the ball away lot because he tries to create magic balls’ - yes that’s part of it but he is also so so careless in possession just playing the easier passes.

I have defended him a lot over the years but he has started to lose me a bit and I definitely can see a prosperous future without him.
 
Mr C said:
And I don't go with take Bruno out we don't create. We would play differently, so it's impossible to say.
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You realise we played without Bruno last season and it was the worst spell ever. Contemplating getting rid of Bruno for me is absurd.

Like I said he's the one player completely respected for his ability by other fans that we have. It's only our fan base that dont seem to respect how good he is.
 
IDFD said:
You realise we played without Bruno last season and it was the worst spell ever. Contemplating getting rid of Bruno for me is absurd.

Like I said he's the one player completely respected for his ability by other fans that we have. It's only our fan base that dont seem to respect how good he is.
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We do all respect how good he is, but we just haven't seen it for a while. Whilst the automatic choice in the squad to be a substitute for Bruno would appear to be Mount, I think we may see Zirkzee fulfil that role. My biggest frustration with Bruno is that he doesn't know when to play the simple ball and retain possession.
 
I don't hear other fans respecting Bruno.

Certainly nobody I talk to does.

Like any player he should be dropped when not performing. The pay rise is looking stupid at the moment
 
RVN said:
We do all respect how good he is, but we just haven't seen it for a while. Whilst the automatic choice in the squad to be a substitute for Bruno would appear to be Mount, I think we may see Zirkzee fulfil that role. My biggest frustration with Bruno is that he doesn't know when to play the simple ball and retain possession.
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The stats dispell myth.

He gives the ball away a lot because everything runs through him but he gives you ball away less consistently percentage wise than a few others listed above. The issue is the players around him mean he has to do too much not him.
 
Mr C said:
I don't hear other fans respecting Bruno.

Certainly nobody I talk to does.

Like any player he should be dropped when not performing. The pay rise is looking stupid at the moment
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Literally everyone i talk to does but then i talk to those with a little rivalry towards United. A lot of my closest friends are Arsenal and Tottenham fans. All of which highly rate Bruno and think he deserves better than Rashford looking exasperated because he couldn't be bothered to make the sprint earlier.

As I said last season De Bruyne said he's the best creative midfielder in the league. I'm going to accept his opinion over most.
 
Not seen any replays, did the challenge warrant a red card?

At least he won’t be available for three matches.
 
Not sure it matters if he slipped, went from knee to ankle, harsh because he didn't mean it. But probably by the laws, a red
 
On reflection it does look very harsh, and I do think there is a chance it may be overturned.
 
I think they can admit the ref made an error and overturn it but in that case I don’t think they will.

It was a ridiculous red card, I can 100% see why on first look the ref gives a red but the reason we have VAR is to give him a second look to make sure.

You can’t watch the replay of that and not consider that he slips, makes minimal contact and even appears to make sure his studs miss Maddison.

Others will need to step up in his absense.
 

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