Antony to leave?

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Just reading ETH’s comments from his presser and he said Antony is unstoppable on his day and so quick over 10 yards.

Not sure we’ve seen concrete evidence of this so far! He maybe quick after 10 yards but he doesn’t run past defenders. He’s so passive.

I wouldn’t be disappointed if he is sold as it hasn’t worked out for him so far. Garnacho has that right side for the foreseeable and Antony just doesn’t fill me with confidence that he would be a good impact sub.
 
For FFP purposes Utd need to sell for £55m to break even on him.

I reckon there's decent a chance he ends up out on loan next season as it's not worked out and it's hard to really see a way back for him now.

Even Ten Hag seems to have given up on him.

If I was INEOS my first job will have been looking at the decision making process on how they ended up paying that ridiculous fee for him. From start to finish I'd want to interrogate every step of the process and I'd probably sack everyone who signed off on that transfer fee. Did anyone in that process push back and say this is a mistake.

For what it's worth I don't think the manager ever has a say on the transfer fee the club agrees to pay.
 
For FFP purposes Utd need to sell for £55m to break even on him.

I reckon there's decent a chance he ends up out on loan next season as it's not worked out and it's hard to really see a way back for him now.

Even Ten Hag seems to have given up on him.

If I was INEOS my first job will have been looking at the decision making process on how they ended up paying that ridiculous fee for him. From start to finish I'd want to interrogate every step of the process and I'd probably sack everyone who signed off on that transfer fee. Did anyone in that process push back and say this is a mistake.

For what it's worth I don't think the manager ever has a say on the transfer fee the club agrees to pay.
Yeah I think a loan with the loaning club paying some of the wages maybe how it goes. No-one is paying £55m at this time - that should have been the fee we paid for him to be honest. We were fleeced which has happened a lot the last few years.
 
Yeah I think a loan with the loaning club paying some of the wages maybe how it goes. No-one is paying £55m at this time - that should have been the fee we paid for him to be honest. We were fleeced which has happened a lot the last few years.

Even that is double what the club apparently valued him at initially. The reports that came out suggest the initial valuation on Anthony was £25-30m.

We allowed ourselves to be fleeced by waiting until the very last minute of that window. I bet Ajax couldn't believe it when that deal was put on the table by Utd.

Hopefully this lot have got the balls to walk away from deals rather than panic buy something the last regime sadly lacked.
 
Even that is double what the club apparently valued him at initially. The reports that came out suggest the initial valuation on Anthony was £25-30m.

We allowed ourselves to be fleeced by waiting until the very last minute of that window. I bet Ajax couldn't believe it when that deal was put on the table by Utd.

Hopefully this lot have got the balls to walk away from deals rather than panic buy something the last regime sadly lacked.
Yeah that’s something that will surely change, we cannot keep overpaying. If we have a figure in mind then got to stick with it, most times clubs will accept eventually but instead we pile on £20m more!

I think we should struggle to get £20-30m for Antony right now. Most clubs outside of the EPL cannot afford the £50m plus transfer fees and wages on top. But I really cannot see any English clubs wanting him based on his performances.
 
I think the days of paying stupid money for players is coming to an end Chemical Jim is a shrewd business man he won’t stand for it.
 
Yeah that’s something that will surely change, we cannot keep overpaying. If we have a figure in mind then got to stick with it, most times clubs will accept eventually but instead we pile on £20m more!

I think we should struggle to get £20-30m for Antony right now. Most clubs outside of the EPL cannot afford the £50m plus transfer fees and wages on top. But I really cannot see any English clubs wanting him based on his performances.

I think the situation with him is so bad he's basically impossible to sell unless he agrees to take a pay cut.

I don't think all those legal issues with his ex have gone away so he could still faces charges in Brazil and UK on that, he's reported to be on £200k a week at Utd and still has 3 years on that deal.

This is the problem with the panic buys if they go wrong you are stuck with them for years and unless you can get him over to Saudi there's no easy way out.
 
Don't know what to think of Antony to be honest. I think he does actually possess what ETH says - he can beat a man and is very quick, but he's not using it well in this league. I don't know if it's to do with his off-field issues, and no real run in the team, but I guess it's up to him to force his way into the mangers thinking again or he is pretty useless. He seems to look defeated quite a bit especially when he has been taken off. I remember him sitting on the steps at OT once or twice looking like he was about to cry.

He's a strange one, that maybe does deserve one more season. We might have a great player on our hands that just hasn't found his feet yet. As long as he stops that stupid shot all of the time I'd give him one more season and at least that way we can get something out of him and a potentially better price afterwards.
 
Even that is double what the club apparently valued him at initially. The reports that came out suggest the initial valuation on Anthony was £25-30m.

We allowed ourselves to be fleeced by waiting until the very last minute of that window. I bet Ajax couldn't believe it when that deal was put on the table by Utd.

Hopefully this lot have got the balls to walk away from deals rather than panic buy something the last regime sadly lacked.

Are you still going with that nonsense? A Brazilian International tearing up the Eredivisie for £25m when a run of the mill fullback was costing £50m(thanks City!), if that's the case the bloke who valued him at that should be out the door a long time before the bloke that signed off on the £80m we paid for him, but probably both should go.
 
Are you still going with that nonsense? A Brazilian International tearing up the Eredivisie for £25m when a run of the mill fullback was costing £50m(thanks City!), if that's the case the bloke who valued him at that should be out the door a long time before the bloke that signed off on the £80m we paid for him, but probably both should go.

What did Gakpo go for 35m or how about Ziyech 33m or how about Depay 30m or Kudus 38m. Maybe his valuation was a little low but it was a lot bloody closer to the right price than the one we agreed to pay.

His international team mates Raphinha, Richarlison and Gabriel Jesus all moved for considerably less in the same summer window.

As for full backs which run of the mill full back cost 50m? We picked up Malacia for 15m, Chelsea got Gusto for 26m, Liverpool paid 12m for Tsimikas, Arsenal paid 20m for Tomyasu, Newcastle 32m for Livaremento and Spurs 35m for Porto. No one is paying 50m for run of the mill full backs.
 
What did Gakpo go for 35m or how about Ziyech 33m or how about Depay 30m or Kudus 38m. Maybe his valuation was a little low but it was a lot bloody closer to the right price than the one we agreed to pay.

His international team mates Raphinha, Richarlison and Gabriel Jesus all moved for considerably less in the same summer window.

As for full backs which run of the mill full back cost 50m? We picked up Malacia for 15m, Chelsea got Gusto for 26m, Liverpool paid 12m for Tsimikas, Arsenal paid 20m for Tomyasu, Newcastle 32m for Livaremento and Spurs 35m for Porto. No one is paying 50m for run of the mill full backs.

Not sure what player a, b, g, p and z were sold for has got to do with the nonsensical value you read United valued Antony at.

And I'll ignore the fact most if not all the fullbacks you listed were 21 or younger and had achieved sod all in the game thus were relatively cheap. But well done to you and your research team.
 
Not sure what player a, b, g, p and z were sold for has got to do with the nonsensical value you read United valued Antony at.

And I'll ignore the fact most if not all the fullbacks you listed were 21 or younger and had achieved sod all in the game thus were relatively cheap. But well done to you and your research team.

Well you would assume you calculate a players value based on similar transfers for similar profile players moving from the Dutch league to the premier league. I’m happy to take what I read as fact you’ve decided it isn’t neither of us know the truth but both of us know Ajax absolutely had our pants down for that lad and everyone involved on the Utd end of it will be lucky to have a job next season.

You said run of the mill so I went with squad players. If you want starters. Walker, Chilwell, Wan-Bissaka, Mendy all up near 50m. City also paid around that for Cancelo but very few full backs have ever moved for 50m or more. It certainly isn’t the norm these days.
 
Well you would assume you calculate a players value based on similar transfers for similar profile players moving from the Dutch league to the premier league. I’m happy to take what I read as fact you’ve decided it isn’t neither of us know the truth but both of us know Ajax absolutely had our pants down for that lad and everyone involved on the Utd end of it will be lucky to have a job next season.

You said run of the mill so I went with squad players. If you want starters. Walker, Chilwell, Wan-Bissaka, Mendy all up near 50m. City also paid around that for Cancelo but very few full backs have ever moved for 50m or more. It certainly isn’t the norm these days.

In the summer we agreed to pay circa £56m for a 4'10" CB from Ajax you'd think the club would expect to pay more for a Brazilian International winger who was keeping Raphinha out of their national team from the same club, so we were never gonna get him for less than the £65m Leeds wanted for Raphinha, we just weren't.

Yeah run of the mill was wrong, the norm for an experienced fullback more apt, thankfully post Covid the prices have come down significantly
 
In the summer we agreed to pay circa £56m for a 4'10" CB from Ajax you'd think the club would expect to pay more for a Brazilian International winger who was keeping Raphinha out of their national team from the same club, so we were never gonna get him for less than the £65m Leeds wanted for Raphinha, we just weren't.

Yeah run of the mill was wrong, the norm for an experienced fullback more apt, thankfully post Covid the prices have come down significantly

An Argentina international 4ft 10 CB. We’ve paid a bit of premium there £48m probably about the going rate for an international centre back these days though?

Not saying 25m was realistic to get Anthony especially in the last week of the transfer window but if there was 86m sitting about to be spent then surely there were better options.

Raphinha went for £49m plus 6m add ons and Richarlison was a similar fee. If that’s your bench mark Utd paid something in the region of 60% above similar players on the market that summer.

It was the sort of deal that a club with half a brain behind it just walks away from. It’s also ridiculous that the club suddenly found that sort of money to strengthen the squad in the last few days of the window.
 
An Argentina international 4ft 10 CB. We’ve paid a bit of premium there £48m probably about the going rate for an international centre back these days though?

Not saying 25m was realistic to get Anthony especially in the last week of the transfer window but if there was 86m sitting about to be spent then surely there were better options.

Raphinha went for £49m plus 6m add ons and Richarlison was a similar fee. If that’s your bench mark Utd paid something in the region of 60% above similar players on the market that summer.

It was the sort of deal that a club with half a brain behind it just walks away from. It’s also ridiculous that the club suddenly found that sort of money to strengthen the squad in the last few days of the window.

Yes to Barcelona, were were quoted £65m by Leeds, and Ajax will have known that.

Or what a club that wanted to fully back their new Manager wouldn't.

If it was EtH's 2nd season and he hadn't worked with him previously we wouldn't.
 
Will listen to offers over £86M? No club in their right mind is paying anywhere near that. I’d be stunned if a club were to offer over £50M.
 
Still time for him yet, wouldn't be surprised if he's one of the first names on the teamsheet this time next year, whoever the Manager is.
 
Will listen to offers over £86M? No club in their right mind is paying anywhere near that. I’d be stunned if a club were to offer over £50M.

It doesn’t say we’ll list to offers over £86m. It says we’ll listen to offers for the the £86m flop. That’s what we paid for him.

No club is paying near £50m for him.
 
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If he wants to stick around fair enough but it’s going to be hard for him get playing time with Garnacho and now Amad looking like they’re ahead of him.

Needs to get his head right and show us a lot more of the positives we’ve seen from him.
 
Being linked with a loan move to Fenerbahce today.

Can't see Utd going for it with Sancho gone and no replacement signed we probably need Antony as a squad player this season.
 
I read it's him pushing for the move.

As for me, if we can, lose him. He offers 0 coming on. I think anybody there would be an improvement. We have 3 wingers for 2 spots. Then many can do a job.
 
There's a lot of games to play so I think we'll want to have 4 or 5 options in the wide areas especially with Mount's injuries and it being Amad's first season in the first team.
 
There's a lot of games to play so I think we'll want to have 4 or 5 options in the wide areas especially with Mount's injuries and it being Amad's first season in the first team.
But Antony can’t really be considered an option? He’s useless. Better with an academy kid.
 
But Antony can’t really be considered an option? He’s useless. Better with an academy kid.

Which academy kid are you suggesting we use?

It’s easy to say chuck the kids in but you can only give them chances when they are ready.

Antony had some ok games towards the end of last season but he’s going to be 4th or 5th choice.
 
No idea bud I have no idea on your options. I just think none of them can be worse than Antony.

I just think it’s an easy thing to say but we’ve promoted our top talent already. I don’t follow it that closely but I don’t believe there’s many lads knocking on the door. Amass, Collyer and Wheatley look like they may get some chances but none are wide players.

Chucking kids in who aren’t ready would be reckless and isn’t what Utd tend to do.

Antony is a talented player he just needs to get his head back on the game. Not saying he’s £90m good btw but at his best he can contribute.
 
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No point loaning him unless he can be replaced because we are short of numbers up top.
 

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