Andre Onana | Match Discussion Thread 2024/25

He's just not a top keeper.
Didn't call for the ball on the first, feet all wrong on the second. I remember watching him in the friendlies when we first bought him, then in the Wolves game, I said then he would cost us goals and points, I've not checked but his howlers must have cost us points this season, then there is the impact it has on the team, 4 mins in, and it's Oh no! not again, we are already chasing a game and haven't even settled. I want him gone in the summer, we can't go another season with him in the sticks.
 
With those mix up ones you just don't know who's messed it up.

If Onana has called for it then Dorgu should be leaving it for him if he hasn't then Dorgu is right to knock it back but still he's playing it blind he never looks up to see where Onana is. I think both of them are to blame to be honest.

The reaction of the two players normally gives you a hint, the way Onana reacted to me suggests he made the shout and Dorgu ignored it.

The way he's playing it is almost forcing the club to bring in another keeper in the summer.
 
Yeah I am getting to the point of we just need to get rid in the summer. Some of the criticism he does get on this forum (like most players/managers) is a little harsh but he does not instil confidence in a team. He’s not even that good with his feet at the moment either.

Once Bayindir is fit then I wouldn’t be against giving him a little spell. Not that I think he is the answer but he might give us a little unspectacular solidity.

He had no business haring out for the first goal, just hang back and the Dorgu little pass back would have been fine. I can understand why he conceded the second as he was anticipating the Delap touch, and if he did follow the trajectory of the ball and Delap did get that touch then we would be saying why didn’t he stay where he was. So he couldn’t win in our eyes in that situation.
 
I’m almost convinced he’s won a competition to play for Manchester United. He’s absolutely woeful.

Bayindir should be cataloguing every single mistake and presenting it on a weekly basis to Amorim to force his hand to get a game. He might not be a top keeper either but surely, he can’t be any worse.
 
RaimondVanDeGouw said:
I’m almost convinced he’s won a competition to play for Manchester United. He’s absolutely woeful.

Bayindir should be cataloguing every single mistake and presenting it on a weekly basis to Amorim to force his hand to get a game. He might not be a top keeper either but surely, he can’t be any worse.
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Well he's currently injured so he might want to sort that out before he starts knocking the managers door and asking to play.

As for the competition winner stuff it's easy to forget the summer we signed him he was on the shortlist for the best keeper at the FIFA awards. He'd been brilliant for the Inter side that won Serie A and reached the european cup final. On paper it was a signing that made a lot of sense but it just hasn't worked we've seen all the bad stuff and not a lot of the good stuff.
 
jsp said:
Well he's currently injured so he might want to sort that out before he starts knocking the managers door and asking to play.

As for the competition winner stuff it's easy to forget the summer we signed him he was on the shortlist for the best keeper at the FIFA awards. He'd been brilliant for the Inter side that won Serie A and reached the european cup final. On paper it was a signing that made a lot of sense but it just hasn't worked we've seen all the bad stuff and not a lot of the good stuff.
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Loads of time to catalogue his errors so when he’s fit, he’s in.

I’ll be honest, I couldn’t care less what he did at Inter. For United, he plays as though he’s been plucked out of the crowd or a competition winner. He’s appalling. He has no place being at this club. I’d go as far as saying, there aren’t many Premier League clubs where he’d get in their team.
 
jsp said:
Well he's currently injured so he might want to sort that out before he starts knocking the managers door and asking to play.

As for the competition winner stuff it's easy to forget the summer we signed him he was on the shortlist for the best keeper at the FIFA awards. He'd been brilliant for the Inter side that won Serie A and reached the european cup final. On paper it was a signing that made a lot of sense but it just hasn't worked we've seen all the bad stuff and not a lot of the good stuff.
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Not really
He played 41 games and conceded 36, that's almost a goal a game.
A keeper with a stat like that is going to cause you problems, especially when you look at his history and the mass of howlers he's committed at every club he's been at it's endemic in his game.
At Ajax he played 214 games and conceded 192 almost identical to his rate at Inter (0.88 goals conceded v 0.90 at Ajax)
He's surpassed himself at United in 88 games he's conceded 135 (1.5 per game), with a stat like that no-wonder confidence in the team is at an all time low, you are a goal down before you leave the effing dressing room!
 
Matt Varnish said:
Not really
He played 41 games and conceded 36, that's almost a goal a game.
A keeper with a stat like that is going to cause you problems, especially when you look at his history and the mass of howlers he's committed at every club he's been at it's endemic in his game.
At Ajax he played 214 games and conceded 192 almost identical to his rate at Inter (0.88 goals conceded v 0.90 at Ajax)
He's surpassed himself at United in 88 games he's conceded 135 (1.5 per game), with a stat like that no-wonder confidence in the team is at an all time low, you are a goal down before you leave the effing dressing room!
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Very similar ratio to someone like Allison at Liverpool to be fair.

He’s always had a mistake in him but I do think he’s been more mistake ridden in his time here. It also doesn’t help the defence in front of him are so naive at times with their mistakes.
 
I'd be astonished if he was making this many errors at Ajax or Inter. Probably because they're better sides who kept the opponent away from goal much better than we've done for the last 2 years. I wonder if they've started calculating eH "Expected Howler" as a metric for keepers yet :p

Change the keeper and I don't think we get radically better all the other problems are still there but I do think we have reached the point where once Bayindir is fit there's a decision to be made because his standards have dropped.
 
jsp said:
I'd be astonished if he was making this many errors at Ajax or Inter. Probably because they're better sides who kept the opponent away from goal much better than we've done for the last 2 years. I wonder if they've started calculating eH "Expected Howler" as a metric for keepers yet :p

Change the keeper and I don't think we get radically better all the other problems are still there but I do think we have reached the point where once Bayindir is fit there's a decision to be made because his standards have dropped.
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There are plenty of video compilations of his howlers at all clubs and at international level, it's not a new thing in his game.
 
Matt Varnish said:
There are plenty of video compilations of his howlers at all clubs and at international level, it's not a new thing in his game.
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Every keeper has one of those compilations though and I didn't say it was a new thing more that I doubt he was as many as he has been for us.

All our great keepers made errors that cost goals but the ones who played in the great sides often had games where they could watch with a pipe and slippers on as the ball rarely came near their goal.

I don't know any Ajax or Inter fans but I'd be surprised if he's remembered by them as a dodgy keeper.

I thought end of last season/start of this one he really looked to have settled down and got his confidence but since probably the Forest game he's gone back to being bad Onana and is making some silly errors.

Last night the first one is a bad mix up between him and Dorgu the second one for me there isn't a lot he can do until the ball is past the striker he can't commit to the dive and the pace on the ball beats him.
 
It was fairly obvious from the start that he's a terrible keeper. His stats have been compared to De Gea's over on BBC sport.

www.bbc.co.uk

Manchester United: Andre Onana analysis after Ipswich error

Manchester United's Andre Onana is in the spotlight as a result of his error against Ipswich - but how does he stack up against the man he replaced, David de Gea?
www.bbc.co.uk

What a total waste of money.
 
Jayc1860 said:
It was fairly obvious from the start that he's a terrible keeper. His stats have been compared to De Gea's over on BBC sport.

www.bbc.co.uk

Manchester United: Andre Onana analysis after Ipswich error

Manchester United's Andre Onana is in the spotlight as a result of his error against Ipswich - but how does he stack up against the man he replaced, David de Gea?
www.bbc.co.uk

What a total waste of money.
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It's what a lot of have been saying, he's not an upgrade, far from it, and 93% of voters think the same.
 
Matt Varnish said:
It's what a lot of have been saying, he's not an upgrade, far from it, and 93% of voters think the same.
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Exactly. 14 less goals conceded with no errors made leading to goals for the opposition. His kicking is almost identical and he was already our player. And he has a superior save percentage. Crazy stuff.

Just another problem Amorim has to deal with served directly via ETH.
 
Jayc1860 said:
Exactly. 14 less goals conceded with no errors made leading to goals for the opposition. His kicking is almost identical and he was already our player. And he has a superior save percentage. Crazy stuff.

Just another problem Amorim has to deal with served directly via ETH.
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Bayinder can't be any worse, and once fit should get a run in the team, there has to be a breaking with Onana, I remember Fergie ruining Leightons career because of one bad game, Ok that was a cup final, but even so, he'd have Onana out by now.
 
Matt Varnish said:
Bayinder can't be any worse, and once fit should get a run in the team, there has to be a breaking with Onana, I remember Fergie ruining Leightons career because of one bad game, Ok that was a cup final, but even so, he'd have Onana out by now.
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Definitely. Fergie would not entertain Onana being his keeper, he's too much of an anomaly.

I think what is most damaging about him is the state he must have our defenders in. They'll all be just waiting for his next mistake and defending like that against premier league opposition is very hard. That's why I'm fully with you on the keeper being a priority. I'm confident Ruben knows this too, but what he sees as his next priority nobody knows.
 
Jayc1860 said:
Definitely. Fergie would not entertain Onana being his keeper, he's too much of an anomaly.

I think what is most damaging about him is the state he must have our defenders in. They'll all be just waiting for his next mistake and defending like that against premier league opposition is very hard. That's why I'm fully with you on the keeper being a priority. I'm confident Ruben knows this too, but what he sees as his next priority nobody knows.
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Yep. his main priority has to be a keeper, the issue is that Onana's stock is nowhere near the £43m + add ons we paid for him, add tothat he has another 3 years of a contract to see out, not sure what his wages are, but you can bet he wont want to take a drop in money, which I why I think wages should be linked to appearances.

As for the next priority, it has to be a striker, I can't think of anything worse than busting a gut on the wing delivering a ball into the middle and no-one being there to put it away.
 
Matt Varnish said:
Yep. his main priority has to be a keeper, the issue is that Onana's stock is nowhere near the £43m + add ons we paid for him, add tothat he has another 3 years of a contract to see out, not sure what his wages are, but you can bet he wont want to take a drop in money, which I why I think wages should be linked to appearances.

As for the next priority, it has to be a striker, I can't think of anything worse than busting a gut on the wing delivering a ball into the middle and no-one being there to put it away.
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I have been reading some stuff about Osimhen and that we have some sort of deal in place already for the summer. I think if we sign him it would be a massive step forward.

I do think Amorim may want wing-backs after that though, so Onana might well survive the chop.

But yeah, a striker has to be the absolute first priority, then a keeper. That's my thinking at least.
 
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It is also true he is not the only player making mistakes every week that cost us points.
 
I think it really isn’t worth trying to positive about Onana in this thread, when he does things right it’s barely commented on but when he does something wrong he’s a clown, the worst keeper since Taibi etc.
 
SuperRash said:
I think it really isn’t worth trying to positive about Onana in this thread, when he does things right it’s barely commented on but when he does something wrong he’s a clown, the worst keeper since Taibi etc.
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Today was a typical game for him, made a couple of saves which for him were good, for any other keeper they were bread & butter.
Went too early on a couple of the penalties, and literally gave the Fulham players an empty goal to shoot at.
Ask yourself who would you rather have had in goal today Onana or Leno?
 
Didn’t see the whole game but no chance on the goal.

Made a couple of good saves to keep us in it.

On the pens he didn’t have much of a chance Fulham took 4 good pens to win it.
 
jsp said:
Didn’t see the whole game but no chance on the goal.

Made a couple of good saves to keep us in it.

On the pens he didn’t have much of a chance Fulham took 4 good pens to win it.
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De Gea or most top keepers stop that header.
 
Matt Varnish said:
I've obviously got higher standards than you ! :cool:
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Think you judge the guy to an impossible standard.

This idea that De Gea saved everything that wasn’t unsavable is nonsense.

He’d pull off some cracking saves but he’d also let in some soft ones.
 
jsp said:
Think you judge the guy to an impossible standard.

This idea that De Gea saved everything that wasn’t unsavable is nonsense.

He’d pull off some cracking saves but he’d also let in some soft ones.
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Well sort of agree, he had the agility that Onana lacks, look at the game, he struggled to get to a low shot in the same place later in the game.
For me he just doesn't measure up in a lot of area's
 

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