Andre Onana | Match Discussion Thread 2024/25

His propensity to parry shots back into play is shocking and often leads to a goal. He makes the defence nervous as they do not know what to expect from him. There are balls he should come out to claim, but he is not brave enough to command his area. He dithers at goals kicks and seems to only pass to our defence when the opposition are fully into their press. His kicking in average, and my son noticed that instead of trying to cut out the cross he allows it to come across goal and sets himself to react to the shot. Replacing him is not the utmost priority but it would high up on my list.
 
RVN said:
His propensity to parry shots back into play is shocking and often leads to a goal. He makes the defence nervous as they do not know what to expect from him. There are balls he should come out to claim, but he is not brave enough to command his area. He dithers at goals kicks and seems to only pass to our defence when the opposition are fully into their press. His kicking in average, and my son noticed that instead of trying to cut out the cross he allows it to come across goal and sets himself to react to the shot. Replacing him is not the utmost priority but it would high up on my list.
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I could never understand why a keeper of his build would never come for the ball, he's only got to do it once or twice each game and most forwards will be reluctant to go up against him, he has a distinct advantage in the area, he can use his hands, 90% of those balls coming into the are should be his.
Then I watched him and realise he has no spring, he just can't jump.
Watch him even closer and you see that his feet are glued to the spot, once he sets a position he very rarely moves from it.

In my time watching United I've seen some bad keepers, Barthez and Taibi to name just two, but when you've gone from thinking Schmiechel will get that, to Oh Shit Onana wont even try, you tend to get a little disillusioned.

When you watch most of the other keepers in the Prem, saving shots and reaching for crosses he stares at, you soon realise he's EPL standard.
 
The criticism for parrying the shot that led to the non penalty is fair. Criticism for the second goal is incredibly harsh and unfair.
 
Sideshow Bob said:
The criticism for parrying the shot that led to the non penalty is fair. Criticism for the second goal is incredibly harsh and unfair.
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Really ? !
Wow, you are the first I've heard say that, if he does anything else, Maguire is not put under pressure, he ALWAYS parries shots back into the danger area, ALWAYS, forwards know it and are ready to pounce.
 
Matt Varnish said:
Really ? !
Wow, you are the first I've heard say that, if he does anything else, Maguire is not put under pressure, he ALWAYS parries shots back into the danger area, ALWAYS, forwards know it and are ready to pounce.
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My post says the criticism is fair.
 
Onana does have a tendency to just parry shots in the danger area but it was awful defending from thereafter. You have to sense the danger but he just let Doucoure nip in.
 
Sideshow Bob said:
Criticism for the second goal is incredibly harsh and unfair.
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Maybe. I think the frustration is, and this can be levelled at most of our team, is they are not clever/savvy enough. If Onana attempts to catch the ball, any slight nudge on him results in a free kick for a foul on the keeper. I feel both Onana and Maguire should have done much better.
 
Sideshow Bob said:
The shot was from the penalty area. The Everton player who took shot should have buried the chance. Onana positioned his feet expecting the ball to go anywhere but straight at him.
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So he parries the ball straight up in the air, any other keeper pushed that over the bar or to one side, but not Onana, he parries it straight back into the danger area, it's yet another flaw in his keeping, it's so characteristic of him he did it again and again in this game and got away with it.
As I said when I first saw him play against Wolves, the bloke is a liability and will cost us games and points, people told me to give him time, 18 months later, he's still making the same mistakes.
 
Let’s not forget he was brought in for his distribution but it’s nothing special.
He stays on his line too much and doesn’t command the box it’s getting really boring pointing his faults out to the rose tinted fans.
 
The ball comes at him very straight, close range, plenty of power and going head height.

1st priority as always keep it out which he did
2nd priority get it safe he didn’t do that.
3rd priority react quick to get the rebound. He didn’t manage that got himself up but didn’t have time to collect it or react again to the header.

So yes the keeper could do better but you do also have to look at how easy it is for teams to get clean shots off in our box.

This guy is not the answer and will need replacing at some point but there are bigger issues to fix first imo. Unless we can find a cheap keeper to come in as the number 1 we are probably looking at another season with Onana.
 
jsp said:
The ball comes at him very straight, close range, plenty of power and going head height.

1st priority as always keep it out which he did
2nd priority get it safe he didn’t do that.
3rd priority react quick to get the rebound. He didn’t manage that got himself up but didn’t have time to collect it or react again to the header.

So yes the keeper could do better but you do also have to look at how easy it is for teams to get clean shots off in our box.

This guy is not the answer and will need replacing at some point but there are bigger issues to fix first imo. Unless we can find a cheap keeper to come in as the number 1 we are probably looking at another season with Onana.
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A defence has to have confidence in the keeper, or they are always looking over their shoulder to see where the keeper is, that is the major problem, they just don't trust him, and when that happens the defence gets shaky and leaks.
 
Matt Varnish said:
A defence has to have confidence in the keeper, or they are always looking over their shoulder to see where the keeper is, that is the major problem, they just don't trust him, and when that happens the defence gets shaky and leaks.
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Not saying it isn’t a factor but I think that’s giving some of our defenders a massive pass.

Their major problem is they themselves aren’t good enough. They switch off constantly and they aren’t aggressive against their opponent. Very rarely do you feel that 1vs1 they’ve dominated their opponent and not given them a sniff all game.

Dalot was browning his pants from the first minute yesterday. He didn’t want the ball anywhere near him and looked all over the place.

Maguire former captain and all that fluffed a clearance on the first then got run all over the place for the second.

None of the back 3 yesterday had the balls to play forward quickly from any restart they invited Everton on to them which pinned us back. Think they stole it off us in our half a couple of times as well.

These are not top class defenders they need to do better as does the keeper.
 
It was a massive mistake for ETH to force out de gea and spend a shit load on this clown. It made the team worse
 
jsp said:
Not saying it isn’t a factor but I think that’s giving some of our defenders a massive pass.

Their major problem is they themselves aren’t good enough. They switch off constantly and they aren’t aggressive against their opponent. Very rarely do you feel that 1vs1 they’ve dominated their opponent and not given them a sniff all game.

Dalot was browning his pants from the first minute yesterday. He didn’t want the ball anywhere near him and looked all over the place.

Maguire former captain and all that fluffed a clearance on the first then got run all over the place for the second.

None of the back 3 yesterday had the balls to play forward quickly from any restart they invited Everton on to them which pinned us back. Think they stole it off us in our half a couple of times as well.

These are not top class defenders they need to do better as does the keeper.
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Totally agree, our defence is a shambles, especially when you take into account they are all internationals in some capacity, the questions that needs to be answered are
what makes them so bad as a unit ?
Is it the system ?
a lack of communication ?

They don't seem to talk to each other, watching them is like watching the 11 yr olds I see play, they are either chasing the ball or chasing shadows, there has to be a flaw in the coaching.
 
Mr C said:
It was a massive mistake for ETH to force out de gea and spend a shit load on this clown. It made the team worse
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Again wasn't ETH. ETH wanted to keep De Gea hence him being offered a new contract. Then the board screwed it by retracting the contract De Gea accepted.

I dont understand why yet again you bring up ETH and say things that are incorrect.
 
So we picked ETH ex keeper by chance did we.

ETH wanted de gea out because of his distribution, it's a known fact.

Yet onana's is worse

I just did a quick Google search on de gea and ETH.

But i really didn't need to. I remember how ETH treated him. Disgusting.
 
Mr C said:
So we picked ETH ex keeper by chance did we.

ETH wanted de gea out because of his distribution, it's a known fact.

Yet onana's is worse
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ETH wanting to keep De Gea is factual. Why do you think we offered him a new contract?

However it's not about ETH. It's about how shit our current manager is. But you always have to harp on back to ETH because you have to defend the fact you helped cause this shit we are seeing. 4 wins. 15 games. It's embarrassing any of you lot are trying to defend it.
 
IDFD said:
ETH wanting to keep De Gea is factual. Why do you think we offered him a new contract?

However it's not about ETH. It's about how shit our current manager is. But you always have to harp on back to ETH because you have to defend the fact you helped cause this shit we are seeing. 4 wins. 15 games. It's embarrassing any of you lot are trying to defend it.
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Well it’s not embarrassing is it.

I think it’s pretty embarrassing that anyone who disagrees with you is labelled embarrassing. There is no need to be so hostile all of the time, we are all here to discuss United and have our own opinions.
 
IDFD said:
ETH wanting to keep De Gea is factual. Why do you think we offered him a new contract?
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Not true, club offered him deal, ETH wanted his ex keeper. Club withdrew the deal, and treated de gea awfully.
Hence de gea reaction to his sacking
 
Mr C said:
Not true, club offered him deal, ETH wanted his ex keeper. Club withdrew the deal, and treated de gea awfully.
Hence de gea reaction to his sacking
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De Gea literally tells a different story. And doesn't blame ETH but those above him.

He wasn't shy about talking out and thanked ETH.
 
SuperRash said:
Well it’s not embarrassing is it.

I think it’s pretty embarrassing that anyone who disagrees with you is labelled embarrassing. There is no need to be so hostile all of the time, we are all here to discuss United and have our own opinions.
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Defending a 26.6% win ratio is embarrassing. Regardless of the players it has to be better than this shit.
 
Matt Varnish said:
Totally agree, our defence is a shambles, especially when you take into account they are all internationals in some capacity, the questions that needs to be answered are
what makes them so bad as a unit ?
Is it the system ?
a lack of communication ?

They don't seem to talk to each other, watching them is like watching the 11 yr olds I see play, they are either chasing the ball or chasing shadows, there has to be a flaw in the coaching.
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I think individually they are all ok players but they all have flaws.

Maz - not really a centre back
Yoro - very raw and playing a new role in a much tougher league.
Maguire - exposed by speed
De Ligt - see above
Martinez - to many injuries
Lindelof - see above and he’s also bullied to easily.
Evans - age remains undefeated.

With the exception of Martinez none of them can pass the ball out from the back quickly. They all want to take to many touches, the ball moves to slowly around them.

I don’t think you can really play De Ligt or Maguire in one of the outside positions. Injuries sort of forced that on us yesterday not sure we will see it again when others are fit.

Not sure any of them are comfortable with the press Amorim likes where they have to follow their man into midfield. They’re used to letting them go but as a 3 you have to follow them as you have the extra man.

I think as a group he hasn’t found the right line up.
 
jsp said:
I think individually they are all ok players but they all have flaws.

Maz - not really a centre back
Yoro - very raw and playing a new role in a much tougher league.
Maguire - exposed by speed
De Ligt - see above
Martinez - to many injuries
Lindelof - see above and he’s also bullied to easily.
Evans - age remains undefeated.

With the exception of Martinez none of them can pass the ball out from the back quickly. They all want to take to many touches, the ball moves to slowly around them.

I don’t think you can really play De Ligt or Maguire in one of the outside positions. Injuries sort of forced that on us yesterday not sure we will see it again when others are fit.

Not sure any of them are comfortable with the press Amorim likes where they have to follow their man into midfield. They’re used to letting them go but as a 3 you have to follow them as you have the extra man.

I think as a group he hasn’t found the right line up.
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You've answered the question really, they lack the pace and acceleration to get back when the opposition regain the ball, defenders with pace are a rare beast, which is why he needs his wing backs to perform, they just aren't doing it.
 
You only have to watch the games to see that Onana doesent communicate or have a relationship with the defenders, its a shambles at the back.
 
IDFD said:
De Gea literally tells a different story. And doesn't blame ETH but those above him.

He wasn't shy about talking out and thanked ETH.
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Try and spin it how you want, I remember how it went down.
ETH didn't want him because of his distribution, and signed his ex keeper.
Those are the facts
All the GK in the world, we sign ETH ex keeper, and it's nothing to do with him...pml
 
Any on here still wanting to defend this? He's not a Premier league keeper.
 
I haven’t seen a replay of the first goal. Did Onana shout to Dorgu? Onana’s feet were all wrong for the second goal.
 
Dorgu never looked up you could see that on the replay so he didn't know Onana was coming for the ball.

You'll never know if Onana shouted but from his reaction I think he did.

I'd say that one was on both of them.

Second one I don't put that on the keeper he can't move until the ball is past the striker, my frustration is we put zero pressure on the cross.
 

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