Andre Onana | Match Discussion Thread 2024/25

Matt Varnish said:
There comes a time when enough is enough, Ok, Bayinder is not perfect, but you have to ask "Is he worth the risk", was the game he played against Arsenal a fluke, there is only one way to find out, give him a run in the league, it may be a confidence boost for the whole team not to see Jigsaw between the sticks.
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That's my point. I'll admit Bayinder is not a long term solution but I would be willing to give him a couple of games. Can he really be any worse?
 
Tempted to say let’s sack Onana and Bayindir off and get Elyh Harrison in between the sticks early!
 
I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on the second goal but the 3rd is a shocker.
 
jsp said:
I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on the second goal but the 3rd is a shocker.
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Be honest, it isn't really, his handling is awful, he can't catch a cold, he also always seems to palm the ball back out to the danger area, he's a strikers dream really.
Despite all this we all know there wont be a glance of interest in another keeper until at least the summer, neither will we see Bayinder given a decent run, I keep saying it, but he can't be worse can he?
 
The second he's too static, he came, got two yards off his line, got the fear and went back.

It would be nice to have a keeper with no fear, comes and commands his box
 
Mr C said:
The second he's too static, he came, got two yards off his line, got the fear and went back.

It would be nice to have a keeper with no fear, comes and commands his box
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I've been saying this for months, if he carries on coming he stops the second (well most keepers would), or at least makes it more difficult for the striker, but he sits down and waves his arms around.
 
Matt Varnish said:
Be honest, it isn't really, his handling is awful, he can't catch a cold, he also always seems to palm the ball back out to the danger area, he's a strikers dream really.
Despite all this we all know there wont be a glance of interest in another keeper until at least the summer, neither will we see Bayinder given a decent run, I keep saying it, but he can't be worse can he?
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Well it can be worse.

Bayindir has exactly the same flaws you've just criticised along with the fact he can't find a team mate with a pass.

They see these guys train every day if they felt Bayindir was worth a run they'd do it.

It's really frustrating because Onana had actually finished last season and started this season quite well. Not saying everyone had full confidence that he was the guy but he wasn't a problem but the last 2 months have been really shaky for him.

What I will say though is where's all the anger at the forward players? I've only seen the brief highlights but there was zero charge for a 2nd goal at 1-1 and at 1-2 no real sniff of an equaliser. Yeah Onana gifted them a third but it wasn't like he gifted them a clinching goal as we were putting the pressure on.

The point I'm making is he cannot be singled out on a day where the outfield players managed 1 shot on target which was a penalty. That's pathetic.
 
A little bit of research into the £43m keeper we bought, because the keeper we had couldn't play way ETH wanted him to, or so they said.
So far this season.

OnanaDe Gea
Errors Leading To Goals40
Goals Against4122
Clean Sheets77Onana has played 10 more games
Shot % Saved63.7%72.5%
Distribution CompletedShort7271
Long32.447.1This is what was supposed to Onana's strong point, and why we bought him.
 
Two different teams, two different leagues. It’s like comparing apples and oranges. De Gea’s form had deteriorated in his last few seasons and needed replacing. Has he been replaced by the right goalkeeper is the question.
 
Letting De Gea go was the right call it was time to change.

The Onana signing however has not worked out. He makes to many mistakes and will need to be moved on from at some point.

For context
De Gea final 2 seasons vs Onana

save % 69.6% Onana 69.5%.
Pass completion 68.6 vs 71.3%
Number of passes per game 25 vs 36
Errors leading to goals 3 vs 4

Signing Dave on for another mega money contract would have been a mistake.
 
Sideshow Bob said:
Two different teams, two different leagues. It’s like comparing apples and oranges. De Gea’s form had deteriorated in his last few seasons and needed replacing. Has he been replaced by the right goalkeeper is the question.
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So why did we buy a keeper from a different league? you can't claim how good Onana was for team x and then say De Dea isn't as good because he's playing for team y in the same league.
By your logic we shouldn't buy a foreign keeper, you are under the notion that the EPL is the best league, wake up call, it's not.
Don't believe everything Sky tell you.
 
jsp said:
For context
De Gea final 2 seasons vs Onana

save % 69.6% Onana 69.5%.
Pass completion 68.6 vs 71.3%
Number of passes per game 25 vs 36
Errors leading to goals 3 vs 4
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That errors leading to goals stat for Onana is woefully wrong. Or deliberately misleading and you've gone league only. He pretty much single handedly cost us in Europe last season. Also 0 chance that he made zero mistakes leading to goals in the league last season. I believe the number is actually 12.

Also missing that De Gea won the golden gloves in his final season for us.

Also De Gea agreed to stay on a contract that was less than half of his mega wages. Can't imagine Onana is on much if any less. The club then tried to get him to sign another lower deal.
 
Matt Varnish said:
A little bit of research into the £43m keeper we bought, because the keeper we had couldn't play way ETH wanted him to, or so they said.
So far this season.

OnanaDe Gea
Errors Leading To Goals40
Goals Against4122
Clean Sheets77Onana has played 10 more games
Shot % Saved63.7%72.5%
Distribution CompletedShort7271
Long32.447.1This is what was supposed to Onana's strong point, and why we bought him.
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Turns out we can be on the same page about something.

Saw these stats yesterday and didn't post because again people had made their minds up on De Gea and missed he had found his form for us in his final season. He struggled once again when the club went back on their contract offer that he'd signed.
 
IDFD said:
That errors leading to goals stat for Onana is woefully wrong. Or deliberately misleading and you've gone league only. He pretty much single handedly cost us in Europe last season. Also 0 chance that he made zero mistakes leading to goals in the league last season. I believe the number is actually 12.

Also missing that De Gea won the golden gloves in his final season for us.

Also De Gea agreed to stay on a contract that was less than half of his mega wages. Can't imagine Onana is on much if any less. The club then tried to get him to sign another lower deal.
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Stats are league only to provide a like for like comparison in the same league.

The big errors is slightly misleading as De Gea’s stats are based on 76 games whereas Onana is on 16. I also don’t think this stat would pick up the Cunha or Gibbs-White goals.

Onana is reported to be on £120k a week whereas De Gea was reported to be willing to drop down to £180k.

Reality is neither are good enough to be the Utd keeper.

De Gea was a keeper in decline it was the right time to change but I think we’ve made a poor choice in his replacement.
 
Why would Onana be only 16 games and not include the entirety of last season.

Or do De Geas last season vs Onana this season?

Either way Onana was an awful choice and hasn't improved us on any way.
 
The stats I posted relate only to this season, I'm trying to find the info on last season for a full comparison
 
IDFD said:
Why would Onana be only 16 games and not include the entirety of last season.

Or do De Geas last season vs Onana this season?

Either way Onana was an awful choice and hasn't improved us on any way.
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Apologies it’s 60 games a difference of 16 games.

Who picked Onana? Would that be our former manager?

Onana at the time made sense he’d worked with the manager before and was coming off a great season with Inter. It just hasn’t worked out.
 
jsp said:
Apologies it’s 60 games a difference of 16 games.

Who picked Onana? Would that be our former manager?
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Assume it was him as he'd had him before but at the time I said it was a massive mistake and something I criticised him for. I've never said he was perfect.

But yeah the stats are wildly wrong for Onanas mistakes.
 
IDFD said:
Assume it was him as he'd had him before but at the time I said it was a massive mistake and something I criticised him for. I've never said he was perfect.

But yeah the stats are wildly wrong for Onanas mistakes.
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Well they aren’t wrong the same metric is applied to both.

I found this which is the Opta definition

Error Leading to Goal/Shot​

When a player makes an error, which leads to a goal or shot conceded. Also used for spills and attempted claims or saves by a goalkeeper that directly lead to a second attempt to score.

If we included bodged save attempts then both keepers numbers would be higher.
 
So it doesn't count the number of times Onana just let the ball roll through him?
 
IDFD said:
So it doesn't count the number of times Onana just let the ball roll through him?
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Sounds like it.

let’s not pretend that didn’t happen to De Gea as well.

I certainly remember a few in his final season
 
For me there is no denying Onana has his fair share or iffy moments but in his final seasons here De Gea did have some shockers of his own. People seem to have short memories.

Neither probably deserve to be our number one keeper to be honest but I definitely don’t regret seeing De Gea go when he did.
 
SuperRash said:
For me there is no denying Onana has his fair share or iffy moments but in his final seasons here De Gea did have some shockers of his own. People seem to have short memories.

Neither probably deserve to be our number one keeper to be honest but I definitely don’t regret seeing De Gea go when he did.
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Five that were put down to keeper error in his last season.
He made up for those by keeping us in a lot of games with some excellent saves.
People seem to have short memories.
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Onana was making mistakes in his first pre-season friendlies
 
Matt Varnish said:
Five that were put down to keeper error in his last season.
He made up for those by keeping us in a lot of games with some excellent saves.
People seem to have short memories.
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Onana was making mistakes in his first pre-season friendlies
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I don’t need to watch a video to know De Gea was very poor at times in his final seasons here. Obviously still made great saves because you don’t become a bad keeper overnight, however you’ll never convince me it wasn’t the right time for him to go.
 
IDFD said:
Turns out we can be on the same page about something.

Saw these stats yesterday and didn't post because again people had made their minds up on De Gea and missed he had found his form for us in his final season. He struggled once again when the club went back on their contract offer that he'd signed.
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I just don't rate Onana at all, his very presence in goal does not fill me with confidence.
De Gea used to have you on the edge of your seat gasping at the saves he made.
Onana has you reaching for the toilet paper every time the ball goes into the box, which is why I call him Jigsaw.
 
Matt Varnish said:
I just don't rate Onana at all, his very presence in goal does not fill me with confidence.
De Gea used to have you on the edge of your seat gasping at the saves he made.
Onana has you reaching for the toilet paper every time the ball goes into the box, which is why I call him Jigsaw
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De Gea for me is the greatest goalkeeper I've witnessed. Without a doubt the greatest shot stopper. Was a phenomenal keeper that covered our shortcomings.

Without him we'd have been where we are now a lot earlier.

However Onana is no better than Ben Foster. Just played in a great Inter Milan side.
 
Got to stop living in the past. Fantastic keeper but wasn’t worth giving him another bumper contract with his decline clearly evident.
 
De gea was much better than Onana. But I'm sure @IDFD was a fan during van de sar and big pète.

The Two best keepers we've had by miles
 
Mr C said:
De gea was much better than Onana. But I'm sure @IDFD was a fan during van de sar and big pète.

The Two best keepers we've had by miles
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Dave surpassed both of them for me. I believe he won player of the season for us 5 times? And the only keeper to won player of the year in the Premier league.

A far better shot stopper than either of them.

I did also say that I've witnessed not just at United. So you could have used Neuer. De Gea is the best keeper I have seen. And I don't think it's close. There isn't a better reaction keeper to ever live. The game vs Arsenal is the goalkeeping performance of our lifetimes.

Certainly miles above what we have now. And i mean current De Gea.
 
This bloke is an effing disaster, he makes Barthez look like Schmiechel.
Can we play "Rush Goalie" for the rest of the season.
He needs to go in the summer, in fact sod it, put one of the kids in goal, it can't be any worse.
 
Matt Varnish said:
This bloke is an effing disaster, he makes Barthez look like Schmiechel.
Can we play "Rush Goalie" for the rest of the season.
He needs to go in the summer, in fact sod it, put one of the kids in goal, it can't be any worse.
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We have a established keeper sitting on the bench. And whilst people make excuses for Onana not jumping up and taking everything. They forget just how bad the initial save is and why it's even up in the air.
 

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