Andre Onana | Match Discussion Thread 2023/24

Anyone who thinks he shouldn’t have saved the second should get themselves to a doctors and checked out for being delusional

My 5 yr old niece saves that.

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Everybody but JC thinks he had a stinker of a match
Last time it happened it dragged on to other matches. Let's hope recovers quickly
 
Absolute disgrace as a keeper. No wonder the defence is erratic as they have no confidence in what's behind them. The back line is dodgy enough on their own without worrying about the goalkeeper
 
Just been reading a Sky sports thing on him. Worst keeper in the CL. But his prem form is currently top
 
Anyone who thinks he shouldn’t have saved the second should get themselves to a doctors and checked out for being delusional

My 5 yr old niece saves that.

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It's becoming more apparent by the day why you were made a moderator, the quality of your posting leaves us all in the shade :rolleyes:

De Gea has gone, and tfft, try and deal with it like an adult.
 
To be honest haven't seen the second one again yet but the conditions were horrendous for the keepers so that has to factored in.
The conditions definitely improved during the game, so not sure that can be used as a factor. It may have sped off the surface a little quicker but sure Onana himself is hugely disappointed with that one, and the first goal.
 
The conditions definitely improved during the game, so not sure that can be used as a factor. It may have sped off the surface a little quicker but sure Onana himself is hugely disappointed with that one, and the first goal.
His positioning can be suspect but his handling is usually very good, And the first one goes through the wall so not a lot the keeper can do though you could argue he should have set it up better, though those in the wall should take some responsibility as well.
 
It was hammering down when the second goal went in so conditions were tough but there's no defending that he's just got his feet wrong he's anticipated a touch from Martial that didn't come and the ball has gone straight through him.

On both free kicks he did the opposite of what keepers are supposed to do. On the first goal he hasn't trusted his wall he's crept behind it and Ziyech has beaten him on his side which would never happen, if he sticks it top corner over the wall you just have to accept that what you can't do is leave your side exposed and get done there. On the second he's assumed a deflection will happen rather than set himself for the flight of the ball and react to any deflections.

Was a terrible performance from him which is a shame because he's actually been on a really good run of form but he's had 3 absolute shockers in Europe and that is one of the major reasons why we're likely heading out of the competition.
 
It was hammering down when the second goal went in so conditions were tough but there's no defending that he's just got his feet wrong he's anticipated a touch from Martial that didn't come and the ball has gone straight through him.

On both free kicks he did the opposite of what keepers are supposed to do. On the first goal he hasn't trusted his wall he's crept behind it and Ziyech has beaten him on his side which would never happen, if he sticks it top corner over the wall you just have to accept that what you can't do is leave your side exposed and get done there. On the second he's assumed a deflection will happen rather than set himself for the flight of the ball and react to any deflections.

Was a terrible performance from him which is a shame because he's actually been on a really good run of form but he's had 3 absolute shockers in Europe and that is one of the major reasons why we're likely heading out of the competition.

Even if that is partially true he is still a massive upgrade on De Gea, even a blind man can see that.

But maybe he should book in for a refresher course at your goalkeeping clinic to sort his legs out for next season, don't want him getting complacent ....
 
Even if that is partially true he is still a massive upgrade on De Gea, even a blind man can see that.

But maybe he should book in for a refresher course at your goalkeeping clinic to sort his legs out for next season, don't want him getting complacent ....

De Gea was rightly moved on.

Come along you’ll love it, was a keeper as a kid did a few sessions with some ex pro’s before I had to stop playing in goal.

I have stuck up for Onana a lot because he is a good keeper who in my opinion got to much flack for some of his performances but he’s had some shockers in Europe. He has cost us 5 points against Galatasaray probably won us 2 vs Copenhagen so let’s be fair and say he's cost us 3 points in the group stage.

Isn’t just down to him but its a massive factor.
 
De Gea was rightly moved on.

Come along you’ll love it, was a keeper as a kid did a few sessions with some ex pro’s before I had to stop playing in goal.

I have stuck up for Onana a lot because he is a good keeper who in my opinion got to much flack for some of his performances but he’s had some shockers in Europe. He has cost us 5 points against Galatasaray probably won us 2 vs Copenhagen so let’s be fair and say he's cost us 3 points in the group stage.

Isn’t just down to him but its a massive factor.

Let's ignore the numerous great saves he's also made that still give us a chance of qualifying from the group. I would say shocking Referee/VAR decisions going against us will be a bigger factor in us missing out than Onana.
 
Let's ignore the numerous great saves he's also made that still give us a chance of qualifying from the group. I would say shocking Referee/VAR decisions going against us will be a bigger factor in us missing out than Onana.

Apart from the penalty where are these great saves in Europe? He has had a shocker it can’t even be debated and it has cost us big time your keeper can’t make 4 massive errors in 5 group games at this level.

Our players are to blame not the officials. The Rashford red card was a bit harsh but it wasn’t a ridiculous decision clumsy rather than aggressive but still dangerous. We folded every time we got put under any sort of pressure and chucked away leads multiple times in games.

We threw away a 2 goal lead in both of the last 2 games, we even had that margin twice in the last game and still didn’t win.

Onana would be brave enough himself to say he ballsed up doesn’t make him a bad keeper but he will know if Utd go out then it’s probably his fault.
 
Apart from the penalty where are these great saves in Europe? He has had a shocker it can’t even be debated and it has cost us big time your keeper can’t make 4 massive errors in 5 group games at this level.

Our players are to blame not the officials. The Rashford red card was a bit harsh but it wasn’t a ridiculous decision clumsy rather than aggressive but still dangerous. We folded every time we got put under any sort of pressure and chucked away leads multiple times in games.

We threw away a 2 goal lead in both of the last 2 games, we even had that margin twice in the last game and still didn’t win.

Onana would be brave enough himself to say he ballsed up doesn’t make him a bad keeper but he will know if Utd go out then it’s probably his fault.

Yeah in a team sport lets blame an individual, kin state of our fan base ....
 
Yeah in a team sport lets blame an individual, kin state of our fan base ....

Funny though because it's the 1 position on the pitch where you are judged as an individual because there's only 1 of you on the pitch.

These are individual player discussion threads so the conversation should be kept to the performance of the individual.

Onana has had a rocky start not easy when the players around you change every single game but I don't think that excuses the number of basic errors we've seen in the European games.

He was good again on Saturday had a bit of a nervous flap early on but they targetted him and he stood up to it.
 
Funny though because it's the 1 position on the pitch where you are judged as an individual because there's only 1 of you on the pitch.

These are individual player discussion threads so the conversation should be kept to the performance of the individual.

Onana has had a rocky start not easy when the players around you change every single game but I don't think that excuses the number of basic errors we've seen in the European games.

He was good again on Saturday had a bit of a nervous flap early on but they targetted him and he stood up to it.

Stop being so condescending. It was a stupid comment from you. End of. Own it.

Agreed but very rarely are, and it's a bit rich you highlighting that point anyway because nobody on the forum ignores that more than you.
 
Someone at work reckons Onana was at fault/should have saved Chelsea’s goal. I’ve not seen a replay, is the opinion fair or harsh?
 
I don't think he should have saved it, but he could have.

His postioning is still suspect, a couple of times, a better player than Chelsea have would have scored a couple of time last night.

He also got beaten twice at the near and was saved by the post on both occasions.
 
Someone at work reckons Onana was at fault/should have saved Chelsea’s goal. I’ve not seen a replay, is the opinion fair or harsh?

Harsh.

All the pundits on Amazon last night said the keeper had no chance as did McCoist on commentary. Evra even said when he saw it first time he thought Onana should have had it but on the replay he said the keeper had no chance.

It wasn't hit with loads of power but it was right right in the corner. I think he could have got closer to it with slightly better footwork but I don't think he'd have got it.
 
He also did some good things last night like smothering the chance from Jackson where Sterling played him in.

I don’t think he was at fault for the goal at all after watching again. It was just placed to perfection and also went between the defenders legs.

I do think his technique is very off on his saves but sometimes it does seem like people expect him to save everything, and anything he doesn’t save he’s had a nightmare.
 
There's some guy online called John Harrison that I think @IDFD mentioned in the match thread who's got some fancy stats model that relates to goalkeeping.

His model suggests the Palmer shot is saved 81% of the time so roughly 4 times out of 5 a similar shot from a similar position is saved. So essentially it's not a complete howler but it's 1 that a top keeper will feel they should get to most of the time.

He essentially says that Onana doesn't take a step before making the dive which shortens his potential reach. This is easy to say but if he takes that step he may dive further but will he get their in time?

When Palmer is dribbling across goal he's obviously got to move across the goal with him to narrow the angle on the side the defender isn't covering. A defender should block a shot back across him, in this case he doesn't so it means he's got to change his direction before attempting the dive.

Palmer to me is really clever with the finish, he's running away from goal and without really slowing down he's able to get a quick shot away completely back across himself and slot it perfectly in the corner.
 
Perfectly placed shot, the only former United keeper who might have saved it was Andy Goram and Andy Goram.
 
He is a bit of a weak link.

He just needs a bit of coaching about the positions he takes up.

I think he could be ok
 
It wasn't a shot it was a ball into the box, he was like a statue and watched the ball go past into the net, he`s got the added advantage of being able to use his hands but doesent realise it sometimes, a good keeper comes for that and catches it.

There's no getting away from it collectively United are bad at set pieces, you`d have to be blind not to see it, the second goal was also poorly defended and proves the point.
 
Still don’t see how Bailey is allowed to stand behind the keeper shouting at him when the ball is kicked and not be offside. If he’s not there to interfere with the keeper then what is he doing there?

Tricky one for a keeper as the line drops, Villa get 2 or 3 across the flight of the ball, I don’t think he can come for it but he needs to stop waiting for the ball to clear the last man before reacting he needs to assume it’s clearing everyone then react to the touch if it comes.

Made a fantastic reaction save at 1-2 just after we scored.
 
That was a save your keeper should make, the one just after we scored.
Why we go to crap after scoring is a mystery
 
I think it’s harsh to level blame on Onana for the first goal. You don’t expect the ball to go all the way through a crowd of players like that.

The more likely option is the ball will be deflected or headed on where Onana was standing. So if he gambled on it going all the way through, we could all be saying oh why did he gamble, he should have stayed where he was if the ball did get deflected.

It was a swings and roundabouts kind of situation.
 
Feels to me like he struggles to pick the flight of the ball early and read that it’s clearing everyone. I just feel like you should position yourself for the ball clearing everyone then if it gets a touch try to react and make a save.

By doing what he does he isn’t really giving himself a chance to make the save.
 
So many goalkeeping experts, the guy has made it to the very top of his profession ffs, I think he's got a good idea what works or doesn't work for him by now ....
 

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