Andre Onana | Match Discussion Thread 2023/24

come off it, I think he's been poor since day 1, you've been blinkered and are now coming to agree. You seem to think because united buy a player they are the bee's knee's and all the big clubs have missed a trick.

Onana, he's not good enough and it was a waste of money, no point having a keeper who can kick but can't keep goal. This was a huge error and one that probably costs ETH his job.
 
I think it's been a very tough start for him he's not been great but I felt he was ok in the first few weeks but he's made 2 massive errors in the 2 champions league games.

Do I hell, I just think everyone deserves a fair crack and not to be written off after 10 games most of the players we sign I've never heard of or watched regularly. Judge them by how they perform for us and not how they've performed for others.

Onana is in big trouble he can't afford to make any more mistakes like this over the next few months but it's a team game and piling on the keeper and letting off the outfield players I think is a massive mistake. He is making mistakes but there are plenty of others doing the same.

He needs the defence to stop giving opponents easy chances and he needs to cut out his own errors if he's going to come back from this.
 
His long pass completion rate is 30.5%. Lower than De Geas last season and the lowest in the league this season.
 
his long passing is poor, been saying that all season.

Such a huge mistake switching those two.
 
Stats need context.

Onana is hitting long balls to Hojlund who is not good in the air, De Gea was probably aiming most of those long balls to Martial/Ronaldo/Weghorst who are all pretty good in the air.

I'll listen to an argument over why Onana might not be the answer but we had to replace De Gea. What needs to be looked at is how did they come to the decision on Onana over other keepers that moved clubs this summer like Raya or the lad who's gone to Spurs.

It's worrying that we've already dumped the playing from the back because without Martinez it doesn't work which means we aren't playing to our strengths.
 
Martial and Weghorst are good in the air?

Weghorst is the only player who gets smaller when he jumps.
 
I think he’s also struggling because he doesn’t have players who can play out from the back. Martinez and Shaw can do that but are injured and the others are not really good enough at that. That doesn’t excuse his goalkeeping errors but the argument of he’s supposed to be good at passing/distribution is a moot point until he has players in front of him that can play to that strength.

The please come back De Gea fan club seem to have very short memories. He may have got the golden glove but he still had some absolute gaffes in goal and with his passing out from the back. Couple that with he wasn’t very good at commanding his box. Those areas all add up.

While it remains to be seen whether Onana comes good, we shouldn’t live in the past and make out De Gea is a saviour when the last few seasons he’s been anything but.
 
I'm not sure how having a decent back line makes you able to save shots. It might stop the ball getting to you, but you can say that about any keeper.

I don't see how saying we should have kept De Gea is living in the past. We treated a loyal player, who has the most clean sheets etc really badly, and replaced him with a player who is much worse. Plenty of rumours this is one of thE reasons the players are not happy with ETH

Now we go into next summer needing a new keeper along with all the other positions. Only this time it's desperate because at least our last keeper kept goal.

And we'll have no CL to get the better players
 
Well it’s quite obvious that a good back line will help a goalkeeper. If our defence did their jobs then Onana wouldn’t have so many shots. Again I reiterate I am not excusing his goalkeeping errors but having a decent defence will help him no end.

What I was mostly getting at was that one of his main strengths isn’t being seen as much because of the back line that’s in front of him.

I just hope that ETH is strong enough to drop him if he does keep making errors. Pep did it with his favourite Claudio Bravo after he bought him in. No idea how good Bayindir is but if you don’t perform then you deserve to be dropped - it’s the same for anyone in the team.

For certain I don’t think having De Gea in the team would see us be any better off this season so far. It’s the whole team that’s been woefully inconsistent.
 
It isn't rocket science lads.

Ederson is a very average shot stopper so to protect from that City don't allow the opposition loads of shooting opportunities. He looks great with his feet because he always have 2 or 3 players to play to and he still has the occasional cock up with his passing like the one we saw last night from Onana.

Utd because we're so easy to play through are allowing teams 4 or 5 easy shots at goal per game.

I don't think any keeper stops them scoring the 3 goals they scored last night, I think he made it easy for Icardi on the one vs one but he's a world class striker had he stood up then Icardi probably slots it in the keeper or goes round him. The only keeper in the league who I think is brilliant one vs one in the way Schmiechel was is Allison.

As a team you are supposed to work together to stop the opponent getting shots on your goal and currently the team is failing to do that. We gave then 5 great goal scoring chances last night and only 1 of them was due to a keeper error which was the build up to the penalty.

If you compare this season to last season Onana is facing more shots per game, making more saves per game, both save 70% of their shots but Onana is completing more passes and a higher percentage of them that De Gea did.
 
hahaha, are you actually saying a goalkeeper should no longer be expected to save goals. Amazing.

I'm saying we had De Gea in goal, we wouldn't have conceded as many, moot point as we'll never know.

But I am 100% certain we spent 50m or whatever it was, and not upgraded the position.
 
Mr C said:
hahaha, are you actually saying a goalkeeper should no longer be expected to save goals. Amazing.

I'm saying we had De Gea in goal, we wouldn't have conceded as many, moot point as we'll never know.

But I am 100% certain we spent 50m or whatever it was, and not upgraded the position.
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I haven't said that at all I'm saying that good teams can have a keeper like Onana without him being a total liability.

To have a keeper like Onana (better with his feet than his hands) you need to limit what he needs to do with his hands by making sure he isn't facing lots of shots. In fact no matter who you have in goal your team shouldn't be letting the opponent have 4 or 5 easy goal scoring chances every game.

The two big mistakes he's made are just shockers there's no way to justify them the goal vs Bayern and the pass out yesterday need to be a once a season mistake, every keeper will make mistakes and when they do it costs goals. You have to allow 2 or 3 of them to happen a season no matter who's in the goal every keeper makes mistakes. He's used them up in the first 10 games so he now probably needs to go 30 or 40 games without making another major mistake like that one, chances are that he will make more.

If we keep giving teams shots on goal in our box under no pressure then any keeper will let in a lot of goals as with no pressure on them players can pick their spots. The team has got to start limiting these sort of opportunities to 1 every couple of games not 3 or 4 every bloody game!

As a goal keeper you are the last line of defence and should only be forced into action in an emergency, you shouldn't be there to make 5 world class saves a game to keep a clean sheet.
 
He was lucky not to give away a penalty against Wolves (I think), and I also think he could have done better on other goals.

He is not an upgrade on what we had. And in my opinion he's a downgrade.
 
Onana will be fine. Give him time behind a settled defence. Some of yous will look back at your comments in this thread and cringe.
 
He'll somehow improve his positioning, feet, diving and general goalkeeping by having Shaw back! Can't wait
 
Mr C said:
He'll somehow improve his positioning, feet, diving and general goalkeeping by having Shaw back! Can't wait
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Give it a rest Mr Clouseau ffs, any keeper new to a club would benefit from having a settled back-four in front of him. It's almost like common sense ....
 
There was time on here that people were saying our back 4 was so bad because of the keeper.
It's like an impossible puzzle.
 
Mr C said:
There was time on here that people were saying our back 4 was so bad because of the keeper.
It's like an impossible puzzle.
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Yeah last year De Gea was the issue. It’s laughable how blinkered people can be because £50m was spent or the criticism or De Gea and pretending he didn’t save us in games last season at times.

Onana has conceded more goals than he’s made saves in the Champions league.

His pass percentage is lower than De Geas was last season not sure why kids were made about that.
 
Justin Cider said:
Give it a rest Mr Clouseau ffs, any keeper new to a club would benefit from having a settled back-four in front of him. It's almost like common sense ....
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Common sense sense is that you expect keepers to make saves.
 
IDFD said:
Common sense sense is that you expect keepers to make saves.
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What you talking about, he's made plenty of saves, he kept us in the Palace match single-handedly only a few days ago.

Apart from one poor pass last night and throwing one in he's done as well as could be expected in a team low on confidence. De Gea was far worse in his first 10 games and that was playing for the Champions. How quick some forget ....
 
IDFD said:
Yeah last year De Gea was the issue. It’s laughable how blinkered people can be because £50m was spent or the criticism or De Gea and pretending he didn’t save us in games last season at times.

Onana has conceded more goals than he’s made saves in the Champions league.

His pass percentage is lower than De Geas was last season not sure why kids were made about that.
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Blinkered works both ways. How many times last season did De Gea make shocking errors? Home to Everton, away to West Ham, away to Brentford, away to Sevilla, FA Cup final - that’s just to name a few. He also gave up many chances with his poor distribution that luckily didn’t lead to goals.

He may have won the golden glove but he contributed to us losing a lot of points.
 
IDFD said:
Yeah last year De Gea was the issue. It’s laughable how blinkered people can be because £50m was spent or the criticism or De Gea and pretending he didn’t save us in games last season at times.

Onana has conceded more goals than he’s made saves in the Champions league.

His pass percentage is lower than De Geas was last season not sure why kids were made about that.
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De Gea did save us in games but he also cost us in quite a few games last season. Off the top of my head I can think of 4 games last season where mistakes from De Gea cost us big time and there were others where we got away with his mistakes like we did on the opening day vs Wolves.

With the exception of the howler against Sane which goal in the Champions League should he be saving? Your use off stats is the sort of stuff I'd expect from a troll account.

Onana has played 1 game in front of the first choice back 4 which was Wolves and even then Martinez goes off at half time because of his foot problem.

I also think you might want to check your pass percentage stat this is league games only but Onana is 76% against De Gea 68%
Onana is making 4 saves per game to De Gea 3 per game
Save Percentage Onana 69% to De Gea 70%

If we had the first choice back 4 out there and we were still shipping loads of goals I think you can hammer the keeper. He's come into an absolute mess and expected to be some sort of saviour.
 
Mr C said:
before or after we withdrew our contract offer and shafted a very loyal player who had been p.o.t.s. a few times?
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That’s just an excuse to try and justify his poor form. He was still a professional paid to do a job.
 
Sorry yeah, he's a robot.

You're just trying to use De Gea to defend Onana, completely ignoring what the man did for the club and how we treated him in teh last 6 months of his united career. Which, according to reports, hasn't gone down well with the squad. And I don't blame them.

Forget De Gea, Onana is crap, and we still need a new keeper.
 
Mr C said:
before or after we withdrew our contract offer and shafted a very loyal player who had been p.o.t.s. a few times?
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Well we don't know exactly when the contract offer was withdrawn. Brentford and Everton in the cup would almost certainly be before the contract issue. West Ham might of been but that was quite late in the season.

He has to take some responsibility for that he didn't want to cut his ridiculous wages and dragged out the talks. When his own form started to drop the manager clearly decided he's not worth the money and the club decided he can leave.

He did win POTY think it was was 4 times in 6 seasons between 2013 and 2018. 2017/18 was the pinnacle of his career he was ridiculous that season an absolute monster but the world cup that summer was a disaster for him and he never really seemed to get his confidence back after that. Madrid signed Courtois that summer and that probably meant he knew that move back to Madrid was never happening and that maybe knocked his confidence again.
 
jsp said:
don't think any keeper stops them scoring the 3 goals they scored last night,
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he stops the 1st, no way De Gea would be in that awful postion in the box, no mans land, basics.
 
Mr C said:
he stops the 1st, no way De Gea would be in that awful postion in the box, no mans land, basics.
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Oh do me a favour.

He can't stand on his line he's got to come forward to narrow the angle it's a basic fundamental of goalkeeping.

The ball takes a ridiculous deflection off Dalot into the ground and spins over him no keeper can do anything to stop that one. De Gea might have got it purely on the basis that the bloke was glued to his line for the majority of games.

I'd give you the 3rd a top class one vs one keeper might have been able to do enough to unsettle Icardi but a world class striker with that much time is going to watch what you do before he picks his spot. I will openly admit he needs to do something about his one vs one goalkeeping he can clearly improve on that but in one vs one you need the striker to mess up to stand a chance.
 
Do me a favour, next time you watch us, check his positioning, it's awful
And for that goal, he's nowhere.
 
Mr C said:
Sorry yeah, he's a robot.

You're just trying to use De Gea to defend Onana, completely ignoring what the man did for the club and how we treated him in teh last 6 months of his united career. Which, according to reports, hasn't gone down well with the squad. And I don't blame them.

Forget De Gea, Onana is crap, and we still need a new keeper.
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I will defend Onana when needed but I will also criticise him when it’s applicable. I’ve admitted in match threads when he’s had poor moments.

Contract talks not going so well doesn’t mean De Gea couldn’t do his job efficiently. He still made some brilliant saves while going through those last few difficult months but when he made mistakes it was because of the contract stand off?

There is a lot of unwarranted praise for De Gea on here. An absolutely fantastic keeper in his heyday but that simply wasn’t the case towards the end. He’s a legend of the club for me because of his longevity and showing his class even in the bad times but he was done here.
 
I justt watched all the key moments back,

The times the goalie should have rushed the forward was on goals 2 and 3. Goal one he's indecisive. Awful performace.

Like I said, next match. just look out for his positioning.

But on the review, I'll admit an I made error, is was a bad pass by Rashford, not necessarily the wrong decision, just bad execution, needed to be harder, faster and little more forward.
 
Goal one is was a little bit in no man’s land but it’s a split second decision to stay back or come forward - the deflection off Dalot was the killer though. No real fault on Onana for that one.

Goal two cannot be put on him.

Goal three was poor goalkeeping for me. It was actually not an amazing finish by Icadi, if Onana had stayed on his feet or at least managed to stay upright it would have been an easy save. But maybe Icardi would have picked a different option if he hadn’t gone down.

His goalkeeping in one on ones does leave a lot to be desired.

For all this talk though he’s not going anywhere, so got to back him and hope he improves. He doesn’t seem like a keeper who will retreat into his shell, so he needs to put these errors behind him and move on.
 

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