Andre Onana | Match Discussion Thread 2023/24

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Really big boots to fill!

De Gea had his issues in the last couple of years but he still pulled off some incredible saves. Honestly I haven’t seen much of Onana to comment on his overall skills but his ability to play out from the back will be a great positive. However, he does need to back that up with the goalkeeping basics as well.
 
He's going to make mistakes these types of keepers always will as judge it slightly wrong and you will be snookered but I think he should help us implement the ETH way of playing fully this season.

How well that style works I guess we will see but really there's no excuse now.

Not sure my old man is going to enjoy watching him he is in his 60's so firmly believes every ball should be booted long.
 
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His ability on the ball is going to make such a difference to our build up play and springing the counter with long passes. I do wonder how long before the "de Gea would've saved that" narrative starts.

It does feel like ETH needs to ban cellphones and contact with the outside world, specifically social media, because there is going to be a lot of guff written about a few of our players this season.
 
The thing with Onana is you can't put him on his weaker foot because he doesn't have one, in that sense he is a freak, he will cost us games no doubt but it will be a beautiful journey .... Single to ....
 
I thought he was good and it is refreshing to see a keeper coming out to try and claim the ball. He did have that ropey moment at the end there but overall an impressive debut.
 
It was ok, confident on the ball, bit worried about his actual keeping.

7/10
 
Nervous wreck in the first 10/15 minutes but grew into the game, easily M.O.M

Fear he's going to collect a lot of yellow cards for time wasting ....
 
I feel MOTM is going a bit far he did the basics well and having a keeper who's willing to come off his line is refreshing.

Maybe got lucky on penalty at the end they are rarely given but if it had been he could have no complaints as he got nowhere near the ball.
 
jsp said:
come off his line is refreshing
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did he? other than the pen. To be honest most of it was like watching De Gea, kicking long, standing on the line, but without the assurity of De Gea shot stopping.
 
Mr C said:
did he? other than the pen. To be honest most of it was like watching De Gea, kicking long, standing on the line, but without the assurity of De Gea shot stopping.
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He dived at the feet of a forward in the second half and came and collected a few crosses in the crowd towards the end, nearly killed a man in the process on one of them. De Gea wouldn't have done either of them.

His passing both short and long was much better than we ever saw under De Gea. Not sure we really saw the sweeper keeper stuff to much with the way we kept giving it away probably not the night to be stood 10 yards outside your box and watching on TV you can't really tell what his starting position was like as you can't see him.

As for the shot stopping not really the night to judge him nothing got past him but he wasn't really forced to deal with anything to challenging as Wolves barely hit the target.
 
Justin Cider said:
Meant United's best player. Not sure anybody can deny that.
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Yeah I meant the same for me he was solid but not spectacular I felt the top performers for Utd on the day were AWB, Varane and Shaw.
 
jsp said:
Yeah I meant the same for me he was solid but not spectacular I felt the top performers for Utd on the day were AWB, Varane and Shaw.
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After watching most of it again think AWB was our best player, goal apart Varane was shaky, and Shaw was bang average.
 
Justin Cider said:
After watching most of it again think AWB was our best player, goal apart Varane was shaky, and Shaw was bang average.
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I felt the 3 of them did well coping with the Wolves runners they didn't let them get to many clean looks at the goal and Wolves must have had 30 odd counter attacks in that game.

They found a way to at least hold the move up to allow the midfielders time to recover and most of the time crowd out the Wolves players before they could get a decent look at goal.

Shaw had to play most of the game on a yellow card because Garnacho played a stupid lazy pass that meant he had to haul someone down to stop a break.
 
Former Nottingham Forest player, Martin O'Neill on Andre Onana performance against Nottingham Forest, he said: "I think that the jury is out on him at the moment.

"He should have been out for the first goal, you're looking for him to come into the picture.

"There was another very long ball that ended up bouncing two or three times just outside his six yard box and he's still stuck on his line.

"I would be concerned about it. At some stage or another, he is going to give a couple of big, big chances away...
 
Been recalled by Cameroon.

If Dave is still unemployed at Christmas maybe get him in as cover for AFCoN
 
Could be out for 7 games at AFCON

No big miss really.

Especially as the club foresaw their first choice African keeper going to AFCON and brought in a really good number 2..........
 
Think it's 4 league games, potentially 3 cup games.

As you said they got in a fairly experienced number 2 to replace Henderson.

Will be a similar situation for Amrabat as Morocco have qualified and possibly Hannibal as Tunisia have qualified.
 
Could probably get Dave back in January... he will probably still be looking for a new club.
 
Mr C said:
Could be out for 7 games at AFCON

No big miss really.

Especially as the club foresaw their first choice African keeper going to AFCON and brought in a really good number 2..........
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Yeah nowt better than a really good number two!

But seriously. i'd wait till you see him first, the guy makes Paddy Roche seem like Lev Yashin
 
For the record I think he should have saved the third goal but made 2 saves after that to deny Mitoma and Fati.

The one from Fati was a good save.
 
we've got to bring in a better number 2.

I don't think we can put up with these displays for much longer, couple that with ANCON.
 
Mr C said:
we've got to bring in a better number 2.

I don't think we can put up with these displays for much longer, couple that with ANCON.
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Have you ever seen the number 2 play?

He's played over a 100 games for Fenerbache so he's no mug.

Signed another number 2 keeper would be bonkers they need to give Onana a proper chance to settle in and sort out the team in front of him so we aren't giving our keeper so many saves to make.
 
you ever heard of him, seen him play? even ever heard any other club being linked with him?

But to be honest, he can't be much worse than Onana, I say lets give him ago and see. If Arsenal can swap/drop Ramsdale.

jsp said:
aren't giving our keeper so many saves to make.
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He's not making any, and how daft is that comment anyway. The keeper is there to make the saves, ridiculous to say it's not the keepers fault because we are letting players shoot at him...diddums.

I'm not taking this thought about it's what's in front of him. When the same wasn't levied at De Gea so it can't be used for Onana.
 
Mr C said:
you ever heard of him, seen him play? even ever heard any other club being linked with him?

But to be honest, he can't be much worse than Onana, I say lets give him ago and see. If Arsenal can swap/drop Ramsdale.

He's not making any, and how daft is that comment anyway. The keeper is there to make the saves, ridiculous to say it's not the keepers fault because we are letting players shoot at him...diddums.

I'm not taking this thought about it's what's in front of him. When the same wasn't levied at De Gea so it can't be used for Onana.
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Nope never but they've just signed him so we'll probably see what he's like in the league cup and FA Cup games. Bringing in another number 2 keeper would be madness given how many other positions need sorting out lets for now just go on the assumption that he must be quite good.

I suspect the Arsenal situation is that they think Raya is a better keeper than Ramsdale and he'll likely replace him as the number 1 as the season plays out. Now given how cheap Raya was I think you can question why didn't Utd look to bring him in rather than spend so much on Onana? The answer to that might be Raya wasn't interested or we didn't feel he had the top level experience to be a number 1 at a club the size of Utd.

No it isn't daft at all the keeper is there as your last line of defence as a team you are meant to stop opponents having shots at your goal. There's a reason Schmeichel used to go mad when he made a save it's because anyone having a shot at his goal meant the defence hadn't done it's job.

Especially the type of shots teams currently get which are free shots inside our box. He is also making saves he's made the 6th most saves of any keeper in the league this season and that's despite letting in 10 goals. You can bury your head in the sand if you want but the fact is our keeper is way more busy in games than he should be.

The criticism of De Gea's shot stopping wasn't the ball getting smashed past him from inside his box it was the number of shots from outside the box that were beating him easily and it wasn't something that only started last season either. I can think of 3 last season that basically pea rolled past him from outside the box. There were also major issues on set pieces as teams were able to crowd him and drop the ball in our 6 yard box and also the distribution that made playing from the back impossible.

In the first 5 games this season the team has defended atrociously and in my opinion that is why we are shipping 2 goals a game on average.
 
jsp said:
made the 6th most saves
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go back and see how many of these were shots straight at him, that hit him, rather than "a save" he knew nothing about half of them.

He will not be unted's keeper in 2 years. 100% sure of that. Nowhere near good enough
 
Mr C said:
go back and see how many of these were shots straight at him, that hit him, rather than "a save" he knew nothing about half of them.

He will not be unted's keeper in 2 years. 100% sure of that. Nowhere near good enough
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I'd rather not put myself through that pain and are we saying these don't count as saves? He made 2 good one vs one saves on Saturday for example but at 3-1 down no one will really remember them as the game was over.

Again I stress no one is saying he's been great in these games so far he's been ok but I think there's a few fans who seem to want to jump on him early and claim he's a terrible player. I imagine there were people who said the exact same thing 5 games into De Gea's career and he played for us for over a decade. Same was probably said about Rio, Evra and Vidic who got off to dodgy starts but turned out to be great players for the club. Took Carrick years to win over some fans because he wasn't Roy Keane.

If the team keeps playing the way it is then none of these players/managers will be here in 2 years so lets hope this clicks and they can work it out.

Having a settled line up would help I'm guessing we've picked a different back 4 in every game this season and in game we've ended up changing the back 4 a couple of times due to injury. This is probably the worst case scenario when you are trying to bed in a new goalkeeper.
 
Mr C said:
go back and see how many of these were shots straight at him, that hit him, rather than "a save" he knew nothing about half of them.

He will not be unted's keeper in 2 years. 100% sure of that. Nowhere near good enough
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So you lambast him for not making saves for goals he concedes but any other save he makes is just shots straight at him or they just hit him? Some real warped narratives in here!
 
pointless

so if a player crosses a ball, and it slaps a forward on the back of the head and it goes in, that's a player who's honed his game is it?

Let's re chat in 4 months. If he's still in the team
 

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