Alexis Sanchez | Match Discussion thread 2017/18

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Sanchez doesn’t rely on speed. The guy is 5’4’’ he relies on agility not speed.
 
IDFD said:
Sanchez doesn’t rely on speed. The guy is 5’4’’ he relies on agility not speed.
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Exactly. He’s not slow but his agility, low centre of gravity and his eye for a pass/goal is what makes him special. To suggest he’s on the wane after a few games here is ludicrous.
 
I think the point is the majority of attacking players now peak between 24-30 as physically that's your prime after that you start to slow down and it does have a knock on effect to your game.

Sanchez has a lot of miles on the clock he's played every summer for a fair few years now with world cups, confed cups and copa america plus he hardly misses a game for club or country during the season.
 
Where is this “past his prime” and waning coming from. He has played 7 matches for us and been MOTM in three of those. All without having any time to bed into our system. No preseason too. I mean people need to step back and relax. He will come good. He has been good for us.
 
We signed one of the best players in the world. On basically a free yes we're paying big wages but that was offset by letting Mhki go. It's actually really frustrating me people are being like 'why'd he take Martial off not Sanchez' it's tinted glasses. Martial was awful and Sanchez much better Sunday. Even just defensively. Martial offered nothing all game and people were annoyed he came off. Yes we strengthened a position we didn't need to but it's down to Martial and Rashford to take Sanchez out of the side and if they aren't good enough to thats their problem.

Sanchez doesn't rely on speed. He's never been fast. The idea that he's on a downwards spiral is quite frankly laughable.

You can not buy the shirt sales all you like but I was only talking facts.
 
I don't think anyone is saying he's past his prime people are just saying there's a risk that he could dip off and that was a risk that had to be considered when we signed him.

Lets not kid ourselves speed and intensity is part of of Sanchez game and there will be questions over how long he can sustain that sort of energy levels as his career goes on, we saw with Rooney as he started to get into his 30's his ability to bomb around like a bull in a china shop was gone. Sanchez is like that style (Rooney, Tevez, Suarez) at his best he's in your face and ready to pounce and punish any mistake but all these plays had to change the way they play slightly at they went into their 30's the pressing off the ball reduced and energy was saved to provide explosive moments. Sanchez I think is more like Tevez/Suarez in that he's technically superb whereas Rooney wasn't he's got much better close control so losing a bit of speed won't hurt him like it did Rooney but it will force him to change his game a bit and he will become less effective.

Where did you read about his shirt sales paying for his salary already? I mean lets be slightly conservative and say he's on £350k a week so his salary for 6 months of the season is £9m so at £50 a shirt assuming we keep all the money and none of these people were going to buy a new shirt he's sold 182,000 shirts already worldwide?

Adidas pay us £75m per year for the license to put the Man Utd logo on their products they pay to produce the products and market them and from that they take a massive chunk of the revenues generated worldwide, it's an upfront investment based on what they think they can generate from sales. From memory Utd get a bigger share of revenue from official outlets so if you buy it from the megastore, through our official website or an official club shop. If you buy it from a generic sports shop or an adidas shop Utd receive very little per shirt.

This is the way pretty much all shirt deals work now clubs want guaranteed revenues they don't want the risk involved in budgeting for how many shirts we sell and they also outsource all production and marketing costs, the reason Adidas are producing so many other Man Utd related products more casual wear is they need to generate the revenue to cover the commitment they've made to Utd so more shirt sales is much more beneficial to Adidas than it is to Man Utd.
 
So it said he helped generate record sales figures and loads of online social media interaction but it doesn't say if the club received any of that money it was also some spin on an investor call where he's telling investors the club lost money in the last quarter.

The good news is this stuff is probably helpful in attracting new sponsors as these are the sort of things they are interested in but in reality we won't be making much more as a direct result of shirt sales.

Sponsorship deals are basically licensing agreements to use the Man Utd brand name and logo in the promotion of your product and some companies pay extra that gives them access to players for commercial use, the more you pay the more access you get. So the likes of Adidas & Chevrolet I would imagine have full access to the players for a certain number of days a year to film adverts of take promotional photo shoots.
 
This all come up with Ibrahimovic. United get revenue from shirt sales. The idea we don’t is ridiculous. Adidas make money by being able to use us as a brand. People see Adidas on a united shirt and go out and buy Adidas because they’re associated with us that’s why they sponsor us. They don’t keep our shirt sale revenue. I believe it was a 60/40 split when it was bought up over Ibra.

Why do you think Marlborough sponsor Ferrari in F1? Get all the Ferrari profit sales? No because association breeds sales.
 
To be fair, United at the minute seem to be making more money than we know what to do with, Sanchez just seems to be a little unsure of his role at the minute, similar to Martial, its like there both unsure as to what side or how they should be playing, hopefully the more games they play the more they gel.
 
IDFD said:
This all come up with Ibrahimovic. United get revenue from shirt sales. The idea we don’t is ridiculous. Adidas make money by being able to use us as a brand. People see Adidas on a united shirt and go out and buy Adidas because they’re associated with us that’s why they sponsor us. They don’t keep our shirt sale revenue. I believe it was a 60/40 split when it was bought up over Ibra.

Why do you think Marlborough sponsor Ferrari in F1? Get all the Ferrari profit sales? No because association breeds sales.
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I'm telling you we don't get anywhere near as much as people think as Utd license off the production & sale of replica shirts to a manufacturer in exchange for a fixed sum and there are bonuses but the vast majority of that money goes to Adidas. Adidas want to be associated to successful teams which is why there is the clauses about CL qualification because they want their brand on TV in front of the biggest audiences so they expect Utd to sustain a certain level of performace for the guarantee of that.

You claimed he's paid for his wages in shirt sales. Well his wages for 1/2 a season are about £10m a season even with your 60/40 split that means Utd have had to sell £25m worth of shirts that people wouldn't have bought anyway to pay those wages and the articles you posted was basically woodward saying we got loads of likes/RT's on twitter and sold some more shirts off the back of the Sanchez signing.

Marlboro sponsoring F1 is like Chevrolet sponsoring Utd they aren't doing anything other than banging a logo on the product they are using the car or shirt as a billboard.

I've listened to people who do these deals talking on podcasts and clubs take big fixed sums to transfer the risk to the manufacturers in exchange they get the majority of the reward if they sell more shirts.
 
Been some arguing while I have been away lol we did win at the weekend didn't we haha never sure on how the shirt sales work, would imagine there are all sorts who have certain bits of the pie, player, agent, sponsors, club etc
 
His wages are also nowhere near £10m for half a season. That puts him on £400k it’s widely acknowledged he’s on £270k
 
IDFD said:
His wages are also nowhere near £10m for half a season. That puts him on £400k it’s widely acknowledged he’s on £270k
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I’ve heard anything from £250k to £600k a week for Sanchez wages so I took a gamble on £20m a year
 
Edgy1968 said:
Been some arguing while I have been away lol we did win at the weekend didn't we haha never sure on how the shirt sales work, would imagine there are all sorts who have certain bits of the pie, player, agent, sponsors, club etc
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No midweek game so boredom sets in and it’s time to argue to pass time when I probably should be working.
 
Premier League: Crystal Palace 2-3 Manchester United - 5th March 2018

Got to say that’s his worst game yet really really poor seems to be struggling to find his role in the team creating very little and not really getting many attempts at goal either.
 
How can Jose play him every week when his form is so poor. Rashford at least looked lively when he came on.
 
I think you can see the quality he’s just working out how to play in this team right now he looks like the new guy doesn’t know where his team mates are going to run and isn’t on the same wavelength as anyone.

Guess this is what happens when you chuck a new guy in half way through the season these things are normally worked out in pre season.
 
He gave the ball away 19 times in the first half alone. He's always getting caught in possession. Looks clueless imo.
 
People were annoyed with him and Pogba both putting passes out for throw in's on the right in the first half but I thought Valencia was stuck on his heels most of the night. I know he set up the first but he doesn't offer enough going forward anymore and neither does Young, need full backs that bomb on and offer something.
 
Sanchez is so small, he looks like he is playing with the big kids and he is always getting knocked off the ball.

Never seen such a half of football with the ball going out of play from passes and Sanchez was the most guilty one followed closely by Pogba and Matic.
 
I might be wrong but are our corners a touch better with Sanchez taking them? It's not amounted to anything yet but they look more threatening I think.
 
He's not been as bad as people were making out. Even when not at his best yesterday he set Lukaku up with 3 good chances.
 
I just think we need to get him playing in the right areas more, playing too deep and central, need him more centre left and higher up the pitch.
 
Time will tell if he turns into a magnificent #7 for the club. He's got 3 seasons basically. Would love some magic from him vs the scousers.
 
JSNFRMN_MUFC said:
People were annoyed with him and Pogba both putting passes out for throw in's on the right in the first half but I thought Valencia was stuck on his heels most of the night. I know he set up the first but he doesn't offer enough going forward anymore and neither does Young, need full backs that bomb on and offer something.
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I agree with that there were 2 pretty good balls played to Valencia but he didn't anticipate them and I think in both cases he apologised the fact he was subbed to me suggested he might have been playing injured with a bit of an injury as he seemed reluctant to go into a full sprint.

One of the big questions from Monday was first half it felt like Pogba & Sanchez were in each others way and Utd basically had no width as both of them were trying to play in that inside left channel, this also happened a lot vs Chelsea. Second half it seemed to me like they were almost seperated like naughty school kids, Rashford came on and moved to the left and stayed wide which forced the full back to go out to him, Sanchez stayed a bit more central and looked to exploit that gap between the RB & RCB and Pogba moved much more central and even started coming more from the right side of the midfield which was where McTominay was first half.
 
JSNFRMN_MUFC said:
I might be wrong but are our corners a touch better with Sanchez taking them? It's not amounted to anything yet but they look more threatening I think.
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I don't really like Sanchez on corners I really think Pogba should be taking all the corners and set pieces as the best striker of a ball in the team and the fact he's rubbish in the air for a big lads whereas Sanchez is actually pretty good in the air. I'd much rather see him attacking corners or looking for drop downs that Pogba who doesn't seem to like to challange for balls in the air. I think our corners have got so bad that we've started taking a lot of them short rather than putting them in first time.

I think we're just quite poor at attacking set pieces generally Smalling is our only CB who really attacks the ball and it could go anywhere when it comes off his head, Bailly is similar but we've not had him. Matic/Pogba despite being giants don't really threaten. Don't even think Jones/Lindelof bother going forward for corners/set pieces.
 
Sanchez lost possession 34 times against Crystal Palace on Monday... and it wasn't even his worst performance in the Red shirt so far.

• The Chilean has lost the ball 36 times in a game on two separate occasions for United in just five Premier League games, against Newcastle and Huddersfield.

Oh dear!
 
Can I point out them stats are highly flawed. For one they count when Lukakus first touch loses the ball from his pass.

(If your team mate can’t control the ball it’s deemed a poor pass and you that lost the ball)
 
Utd aren't a side who look to retain possession for long periods so I'm not that worried about him losing the ball the concern is the number of shots he's having in a game feels lower than it was at Arsenal and he's not creating many chances for other players.

The fact he loses the ball a lot always made me wonder why City were so desperate for him as I really didn't see how he fit into their team.

Obviously him giving the ball away less would be nice and I think once he settles in that will happen as it still looks to me like he's trying to work out where he needs to put the pass as he's learning the movements of the other attackers.

Reminds me a touch of Nani he used to give the ball away a lot but he was always brave to keep taking it he didn't go and hide like other players do.
 
I saw a Sky Sports heatmap of his positioning against Palace yday and he was playing predominantly where Pogba wants to be running into. Why he is playing so deep all the time is beyond me.

To be fair to the guy he does get stuck in and I've never seen a player being fouled so much and end up on the floor. Against Palace he was literally flying around like a rag doll after a few challenges and he usually gets straight up instead of rolling around
 
Red Warrior said:
I saw a Sky Sports heatmap of his positioning against Palace yday and he was playing predominantly where Pogba wants to be running into. Why he is playing so deep all the time is beyond me.

To be fair to the guy he does get stuck in and I've never seen a player being fouled so much and end up on the floor. Against Palace he was literally flying around like a rag doll after a few challenges and he usually gets straight up instead of rolling around
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I think that's where he's always played when he plays wide always comes deep to get on the ball as he likes to try and carry it forward it's the way he played at Arsenal but he always had Monreal going outside him as the full back/wing back.

He's not a touchline winger and maybe we could do with him starting a little bit wider especially when we play 4-3-3 but Mourinho tends to give his players the freedom to go where they want when attacking it's only when we lose the ball that they must get back in shape and do the defensive job they've been given.
 
Was very poor on Monday, giving it away every time he had the ball, at the moment we are losing so much as Martial was our main threat down that left and he has been replaced by a guy who is simply offering nothing at the moment, I would move Sanchez to the right and let Martial crack on down the left, we can't afford to play Martial out of position on Saturday with Sanchez down the left offering us sod all.

Needs to improve, it's not like he needs to much time to settle he knows the league inside out.
 
I think he needs time to settle into the way we play it's not the same as Arsenal where for the last 12 months he's play 3-4-3 so he alway had a guy overlapping him and he didn't have a midfielder coming into that space at Utd he's rarely had a full back going down the outside of him and he's got Pogba in the same area as him a lot.

That said the bedding in period is probably over by now he should be up to speed and he needs to start delivering goals and creating chances which is what he's in the team to do as like you say he's taken the position of one of our top performers this season.
 
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