How long do we give Solskjaer?

That's this season wasted then. Worse still, the players could start hating being around the place.
I'm surprised they don't already. Mind you a lot of them are getting paid a ton of money and that's all they care about.
 
Yeah let's forget how SAF, one of the greatest Managers of all time, with a far superior squad often struggled in the group phase and just expect United with Ole who apparently is a crap Manager, Managing a piss poor unbalanced squad to do better because we are Manchester United.
Even the most die hard red would admit Sir Alex's record in Europe wasn't the best. He was also hampered by the 3 foreigner rule.
 
Don't know how accurate this is, but apparently Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has been the Manager for 21% of all the home matches United have lost in the Premier League.
 
We missed out on a world class manager by failing to act after Liverpool now we will be scratching around the bottom of the barrel to get a manager.

He has to go we won 5-1 on the opening day and since then we’ve suffered a complete confidence meltdown.

He is miles out of his depth if the club are serious about getting back to the top he has to go.

Anyone still supporting him. Honestly what do you see?
 

Been trying to work out for the last 5 minutes in my head(never a good idea at the best of times, and without the data pointless) if it's possible to jump from 21% to 24% on the back of one result, and come to the conclusion that I haven't got a clue.
 
If United get beat next week Ole has to go, no ifs or buts, but if we don't get beat he might as well stay on till the end of the season.
 
If we had a clear direction or the performances at least showed a bit of heart then I would say yes we should persist. But seriously what is going to suddenly change when the team returns from International duty? He has chopped and changed formations now, he has tried different players and still nothing has really worked. Either the players have absolutely no idea or the coaching is poor. I would say the latter is the case here.

We need a fresh start with a manager who has a plan. Ole doesn’t have anything resembling a plan - he may think he does but we have been shown up time and time again this season by manager after manager. It’s not even just the Liverpool and City defeats. Even take the Wolves game for example, we were clearly second best but a moment of individual quality won the game - that’s Ole’s reign in a nutshell.

Just very angry that the board cannot recognise now that things have to change. Ole has done well here and has instilled something we lost under previous managers. However, he just cannot take us onto the next step, if anything we are regressing badly. If we carry on how we have been so far this season we are not making top four. If we were playing Norwich, Watford etc tomorrow I would have no confidence we would win the game - and that is a sad state of affairs for a fan to feel that.
 
Ole has no plan on the field, he's not had a plan since he started.

Overall he's done a good job. He's brought back a positive feel around the club, he's had some success in the transfer market and he's cleared out some of the dead wood. He was what United needed after Jose and the club should pick wisely to replace him.

But he's not a good manager and he's not surrounded himself with good coaches. They have no identity. They have no style and no structure.

The way they have won big games is by sitting back and countering. Against Liverpool for some reason they wanted to press. Today they wanted to sit back. Neither yielded positive results.

They have the players to be doing a lot better than they are. Title challengers? Probably not due to that midfield but they'd be doing a lot better with a better manager. United have some world class players and some real quality but they need a manager that can help them maximise that. Ole isn't that manager. Even players like Fred I think could be better with better coaching. Fred isn't good on the ball but he's a work horse. In the right formation, in the right system he'd be better. Quality? No but he'll do the leg work.
 
If United get beat next week Ole has to go, no ifs or buts, but if we don't get beat he might as well stay on till the end of the season.

Why wait until the next game?

Beating Watford means nothing.

Twice in a week he’s ditched his new 3-4-1-2 system by half time it clearly isn’t going to work against a half decent team.

If this club was serious about winning he’d be gone by Monday but they aren’t and he will keep his job.

The performances are somehow worse than the results it is game over for him.
 
Cider is being facetious as United do not have a game next week.

I gave Cider the benefit of the doubt assumed they weren’t aware of the international break.

I doubt they’ll change it before CL group is over.

Utd are 5th there’s a good chance we end the weekend as low as 7th as it stands Utd are on track for a 59 point season.
 
I'm disappointed it didn't work out for Ole. When he sets out a team it seems like he doesn't have any contingency plans should our opponents not want to play into our hands. He's a good cheerleader but he's not a good manager or a good coach. It's really time he leaves, before we are so far behind that we are a joke.
 
I don't even know at this point why anyone at the club thinks Ole can turn it around? He's overseen a 5-0 loss at home to Liverpool who decided to ease off with more than 30 minutes to go and conserve energy. A 2-0 loss at home to City who seemed to feel they could conserve energy from the start and barely got out of second gear. They lost 4-2 to Leicester who haven't been as good this year as previous years. They nearly lost at home to Everton. They were a late penalty away from a draw at West Ham. They lost at home to a villa side who are now considering their managers future a few weeks later.

Things aren't going to change because Ole can't change them. He changed formation last week and sure that worked and he should get credit for that. But actually he came up against a poor Spurs side who subsequently sacked their manager. And 3-5-2 is hardly the forward thinking formation that's going to take this team forwards. It was a move out of need and desperation because his job was under threat and he needed a result. They can't play 3-5-2 long term because 1) the top teams will still get results against it and 2) that won't fly against the teams United should be beating. It also doesn't get the most out of the attacking players United have.

A change is needed. They should pull the trigger now. Give themselves a couple of weeks to think things through.
 
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Luckily, Joel Glazer has the gun, unluckily he couldnt care less about the club
It's not even the results, if they actually watched the matches they could see how poor it is on the pitch
 
Where’s Fletcher and Murtough in this decision making process?

These two where appointed football directors within this new structure.

There’s no shame in sacking a manager there is shame in not having the bottle to sack a manager.
 
I always struggle with the way the hierarchy is structure at United to be honest.

Incidentally what would you say the job description of a director of football is?
 
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Incidentally what would you say the job description of a director of football is?
To build continuity, essentially.

Clubs like Barca, Bayern, Dortmund, Ajax and City to a lesser extent, have had protracted periods of relative success and a distinct style of play even though they've worked through squads and managers.

The DoF should help foster a vision of play and the personnel required to achieve success and implement it across time.

The coach and the DoF need to be on the same page tactically and the coach should trust and expect the DoF's team to get him the right players.

The DoF needs to be a football man, as well as a businessman.
 
To build continuity, essentially.

Clubs like Barca, Bayern, Dortmund, Ajax and City to a lesser extent, have had protracted periods of relative success and a distinct style of play even though they've worked through squads and managers.

The DoF should help foster a vision of play and the personnel required to achieve success and implement it across time.

The coach and the DoF need to be on the same page tactically and the coach should trust and expect the DoF's team to get him the right players.
Ok. I would argue that we do not need two people doing that. Secondly what vision and style are we trying to achieve?

I feel we are seeing precious little of that at United.
 
So they are going to continue with Ole because they can't attract the names they want. Deary me United have fallen.
 
Who can't they attract?

Conte was literally holding out for the United job.
Ten Haag won't leave mid season apparently. Zidane not interested.

If they don't replace him now they won't be until the end of the year. Because he's going to get positive results at some point. Fact remains nothing will change under him.
 

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