How long do we give Solskjaer?

IDFD said:
You get a top quality DM and Pogba can get trusted in a 2. France are happy to trust him there.

I'd be going CB CM RW. Amad is a while off first team football. And I want to see Greenwood in the middle when Cavani can't play.
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Kante definitely helps support him in the 2 for France, but he also has options who know what to do with the ball once he passes it. Who does he have here? Rashford or Bruno, and defenders have sussed that a while back.
 
Im hoping that the leeches feel so bad that they put there hands in there pockets and we sign 3 or 4 quality players
Not very likely but i want to be optimistic and i do really like this team ole is sorting out
Just imagine if a few of our draws were wins how tense this run in would be,we are not far off and a few good additions and who knows
 
The owners aren't going to pony up any of their own cash lets forget about that idea the club will be spending it's own money as always and likely dipping into the overdraft or increasing the debt to buy players this summer.

I think it'll be 1 or 2 players this summer rather than 3 or 4 as we just won't have the money required to spend big on the quality of players we need.
 
Interesting to hear that Allegri was approached less than 12 months ago by us
He refused obviously
But that'll satisfy the ' Ole's or Messiah ' platoon
 
It wasn't less than 12 months ago. Just more nonsense on the wind up again. It was during the 2018/19 season. It says 'during his last year in charge of Juventus' not in the last year.

So the approach would have been made either when Mourinho was manager or whilst Ole was caretaker manager. No surprise we all knew at the time there was talk of Allegri.

But you knew that.
 
Since he got the full time gig I'd be amazed if our board have approached anyone else knowing how leaky our club is they know full well they'd be caught and to be honest I don't think they've had any intention to deviate from Ole at any point during the seasons as he's been on target for the minimum with is CL qualification.

Now the bar needs to be raised again and to do that he needs backing.

Will be interesting to see if he's given a new contract this summer on the one hand it shows your committment to him and may remove some uncertainty in the mind of the players coming in equally it's a make or break point with him that increases your exposure to a pay off.

I think our situation is slightly different to other clubs I don't think players are coming with a burning desire to play for Ole and the modern player knows every manager is on thin ice these days and could be gone in a blink of an eye.
 
IDFD said:
It wasn't less than 12 months ago. Just more nonsense on the wind up again. It was during the 2018/19 season. It says 'during his last year in charge of Juventus' not in the last year.

So the approach would have been made either when Mourinho was manager or whilst Ole was caretaker manager. No surprise we all knew at the time there was talk of Allegri.

But you knew that.
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No read again. Allegri has been out of the game, he had 5 offers in that period, I don't know if sports media r making false acclamations but apparently Utd were 1 of them
But if u r more in the know , then let's take they folk all mistaken?
 
Galeona, who had Allegri work under him at Pescara and has played a leading role in the shaping of a productive coaching career, has told Il Bianconero: "The last year that he was at Juventus, Allegri said no to five big offers. Chelsea tried twice in the space of 15 days and he always rejected every proposal.

"Then Real Madrid contacted him more than once, while Arsenal, PSG and Manchester United also tried. This was all in the space of a year, but he always said no.

"I do think that if Juve hadn’t called, he would be in Madrid now, even though he wasn’t entirely convinced by the organisation there. Nobody is, really."

These are the quotes from a guy who worked with Allegri and is known to be quite close to him I assume they've been twisted and cut to provide some juicy online clicks.

Always read the article not just the headlines.
 
This is becoming fairly routine.

He said: 'The last year that he was at Juventus, Allegri said no to five big offers. Chelsea tried twice in the space of 15 days and he always rejected every proposal.

'Then Real Madrid contacted him more than once, while Arsenal, PSG and Manchester United also tried. This was all in the space of a year, but he always said no.

Read it. Instead

www.dailymail.co.uk

Allegri 'turned down Chelsea and Man United' before Juventus return

The 53-year-old returned to the former Serie A champions last month, two years after leaving the club. In that two years he is said to have received a host of offers from top European sides.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

EDIT: JSP provided same quotes already
 
jsp said:
Since he got the full time gig I'd be amazed if our board have approached anyone else knowing how leaky our club is they know full well they'd be caught and to be honest I don't think they've had any intention to deviate from Ole at any point during the seasons as he's been on target for the minimum with is CL qualification.

Now the bar needs to be raised again and to do that he needs backing.

Will be interesting to see if he's given a new contract this summer on the one hand it shows your committment to him and may remove some uncertainty in the mind of the players coming in equally it's a make or break point with him that increases your exposure to a pay off.

I think our situation is slightly different to other clubs I don't think players are coming with a burning desire to play for Ole and the modern player knows every manager is on thin ice these days and could be gone in a blink of an eye.
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Look , I agree with that to an extent. If u r a star player ,, with his choice of club's, how do u think u would go ?
With a manager who has won nothing in charge of Utd after 2 and a half years, got relegated on his 1st time of EPL trial. I just don't see it
We need a new manager who knows how to win and has proved it ,, or just keep ' improving '
IDFD said:
This is becoming fairly routine.

He said: 'The last year that he was at Juventus, Allegri said no to five big offers. Chelsea tried twice in the space of 15 days and he always rejected every proposal.

'Then Real Madrid contacted him more than once, while Arsenal, PSG and Manchester United also tried. This was all in the space of a year, but he always said no.

Read it. Instead

www.dailymail.co.uk

Allegri 'turned down Chelsea and Man United' before Juventus return

The 53-year-old returned to the former Serie A champions last month, two years after leaving the club. In that two years he is said to have received a host of offers from top European sides.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

EDIT: JSP provided same quotes already
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These club's approached him while he was on the.road to taking Juve to their 9nth title ? That's pretty strange if not absurd.
We knew at that point we needed a world class manager. We replaced Jose with Ole. Jose had won 3 trophies in that period on charge, his last full season we won 81 points , so far, since then Ole has come nowhere near that number
Improvement?
 
Can you provide any evidence United approached Allegri in the last 12 months?

Or admit you were wrong?
 
As for improvements Ole is the first manager in the post Fergie era to achieve improved results in back to back seasons. The feeling around the club has definitely improved and there is a feel good factor. You want to sack the manager that's just finished second but you've no clue who you want to bring in next.

Ole's job isn't even up for discussion at the moment. He's much more likely to get an improved contract that he is to get the sack.
 
IDFD said:
As for improvements Ole is the first manager in the post Fergie era to achieve improved results in back to back seasons. The feeling around the club has definitely improved and there is a feel good factor. You want to sack the manager that's just finished second but you've no clue who you want to bring in next.

Ole's job isn't even up for discussion at the moment. He's much more likely to get an improved contract that he is to get the sack.
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No , ok ,let's keep Ole improving ,season by season by season !
 
Macariman said:
It's stated from people who r very close to him
But I take it u know better?
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No as the quotes above show it's stated by people close to him he was approached in 2018/19. Do you literally just refuse to accept what was actually said?
 
Macariman said:
Look , I agree with that to an extent. If u r a star player ,, with his choice of club's, how do u think u would go ?
With a manager who has won nothing in charge of Utd after 2 and a half years, got relegated on his 1st time of EPL trial. I just don't see it
We need a new manager who knows how to win and has proved it ,, or just keep ' improving '
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If I'm a top player right now I'm staying well clear of Utd if I've got options for a number of reasons if I've got my options the record over recent seasons isn't good and doesn't draw your attention as a top player but where Utd can draw your attention is wages but if that's the attraction are we targetting the right characters?

Players talk to other players so say with Rice if he's one we want I'm sure he'll ask Rashford/Maguire what Ole is like within the England camp and they might turn to him and say ignore everything you've read he's brilliant they might say the opposite to that.

To me Ole's got a few things still to fix but he deserves the players to fix those problems if they're still not fixed in 12 months time he probably goes but Utd this time can't just do a complete 180 turn on the Ole project they need to bring in a manager with similar ideas but maybe just a bit better at getting those ideas across.

We knew the Ole rebuild was a long term project we're 2.5 years into it and I'd say we've made some steady progress but now we've got to really kick it on and start to close that gap to the top.
 
jsp said:
If I'm a top player right now I'm staying well clear of Utd if I've got options for a number of reasons if I've got my options the record over recent seasons isn't good and doesn't draw your attention as a top player but where Utd can draw your attention is wages but if that's the attraction are we targetting the right characters?

Players talk to other players so say with Rice if he's one we want I'm sure he'll ask Rashford/Maguire what Ole is like within the England camp and they might turn to him and say ignore everything you've read he's brilliant they might say the opposite to that.

To me Ole's got a few things still to fix but he deserves the players to fix those problems if they're still not fixed in 12 months time he probably goes but Utd this time can't just do a complete 180 turn on the Ole project they need to bring in a manager with similar ideas but maybe just a bit better at getting those ideas across.

We knew the Ole rebuild was a long term project we're 2.5 years into it and I'd say we've made some steady progress but now we've got to really kick it on and start to close that gap to the top.
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I may have misunderstood u bruv. Top class players, as it stands might not fancy Utd, unless we will pay more. In football now , we can't say we'll pay u more, if they players that want to.reach that upper echelon, the players that any club on the planet would love to have. Yes , but a tricky for 4 feckin years , this season got knocked out the ECL at group stage and couldn't even win the Euro Mickey Mouse cup
Get real , it's not exactly tantalising!
 
Utd have just got to get the signings right now if they're free transfers or 90m stars we just can't afford to miss the mark this summer the players who come in this summer need to improve that starting XI pretty much from day 1 no messing about.

If you give him better players and he still can't win then you can probably have the proper conversation about him going.
 
It sounds like two England internationals in Sancho and Trippier have no problem coming to united.

Lets see if Varane turns up too,
 
I think for the top top players, there is still that draw of Madrid/Barca and their boyhood club, but the mercenary element has definitely become more prevalent than it used to be. Players want to win the biggest trophies and amass the biggest stack of coin they can. Thanks to our board, United isn't in a position to offer both, and all of world football knows it. Hence the top managers, and players going to City/Chelsea/Liverpool/anywhere but here.
 
jsp said:
Utd have just got to get the signings right now if they're free transfers or 90m stars we just can't afford to miss the mark this summer the players who come in this summer need to improve that starting XI pretty much from day 1 no messing about.

If you give him better players and he still can't win then you can probably have the proper conversation about him going.
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Every club in Europe thinks that. How many different players?
How much will they cost? Will they take us anywhere near City's squad?
Every Club will want.. impove over this window.. What r u expectin?
 
Other than UK born players, all others have always chosen the Spanish clubs first. That's not new. Mostly anyway.

I'm not sure the top players have chosen City/Chelsea or Liverpool over us. Which of their players did we go after that they got. Whereas we got Popba/Maguire/Sanchez :eek: Shaw when at least one of those clubs were interested.
 
Mr C said:
It sounds like two England internationals in Sancho and Trippier have no problem coming to united.

Lets see if Varane turns up too,
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Macariman said:
Every club in Europe thinks that. How many different players?
How much will they cost? Will they take us anywhere near City's squad?
Every Club will want.. impove over this window.. What r u expectin?
Mr C said:
Mr C said:
It sounds like two England internationals in Sancho and Trippier have no problem coming to united.

Lets see if Varane turns up too,
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Mr C said:
It sounds like two England internationals in Sancho and Trippier have no problem coming to united.

Lets see if Varane turns up too,
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sounds like two England internationals in Sancho and Trippier have no problem coming to united.

Lets see if Varane turns up too,
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Mr C said:
It sounds like two England internationals in Sancho and Trippier have no problem coming to united.

Lets see if Varane turns up too,
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Mr C said:
Other than UK born players, all others have always chosen the Spanish clubs first. That's not new. Mostly anyway.

I'm not sure the top players have chosen City/Chelsea or Liverpool over us. Which of their players did we go after that they got. Whereas we got Popba/Maguire/Sanchez :eek: Shaw when at least one of those clubs were interested.
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You're right, it's not new to long for sunny Spain, but Italian clubs usually had a collection of top class players, as did/do Bayern. We got Pogba and Sanchez by overpaying, the same as Lukaku. Sanchez and Lukaku were disasters who were only here for the money. Pogba less so, but you do question his motivation.

Take Kane for example. If he moves, what are the odds he's picking us? He's motivated by winning things, and would choose City or Chelsea over us because they set themselves up to win trophies. Under the Glazers, we half-arse it.
 
Macariman said:
Every club in Europe thinks that. How many different players?
How much will they cost? Will they take us anywhere near City's squad?
Every Club will want.. impove over this window.. What r u expectin?
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I'd say we need 2 or 3 starting quality to make decent progress. A Centre Back, a Centre Mid and a wide player to me are the essential recruits this summer. Simply put we can't have players like Lindelof, Fred and McTominay starting every single game for us next season we need better than that and we also need to be able to call upon a quality attacking player off the bench.

What will they cost? A starting quality player probably costs on average £50m so lets say £150m.

I don't think we'll get 3 top quality signings this summer my guess is we get 2 and probably 1 squad player.

I'm not getting to excited over transfers to be honest every clubs just made massive losses for 2 years in a row so expecting a massive squad overhaul is unrealistic unless you have owners with deep pockets that are willing to invest and take advantage of that.

Whatever happens we can't afford what happened last season where we basically start next season with the same XI players we finished this season with starting most games.
 
Mr C said:
Other than UK born players, all others have always chosen the Spanish clubs first. That's not new. Mostly anyway.

I'm not sure the top players have chosen City/Chelsea or Liverpool over us. Which of their players did we go after that they got. Whereas we got Popba/Maguire/Sanchez :eek: Shaw when at least one of those clubs were interested.
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R u talking about players like Aguero, Vincete , De Brueyne, Vidic , Evra , RVN , RVP , Rooney and Keane and lots more besides ?
Then I'm baffled just what u possibly mean by that?
Let's not forget players like Henry., Bergamp and not forgetting Kane , Bruno.and Kante ?
Try Googling football, and see what it means !
 
Cruella ne Ville said:
You're right, it's not new to long for sunny Spain, but Italian clubs usually had a collection of top class players, as did/do Bayern. We got Pogba and Sanchez by overpaying, the same as Lukaku. Sanchez and Lukaku were disasters who were only here for the money. Pogba less so, but you do question his motivation.

Take Kane for example. If he moves, what are the odds he's picking us? He's motivated by winning things, and would choose City or Chelsea over us because they set themselves up to win trophies. Under the Glazers, we half-arse it.
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No way Kane picks Chelsea over united.

He's picking City because of his age, he's leaving Spurs for instant success, we all know united are not that at the moment, but players want to come to united still, they are not that far off, and even with Citys success, United are still the bigger club.

Even so, I don' think united are interested in Kane, so who knows he would have chosen over the two. But you'd think City for the reason I gave above. If I'm a 23 year old player, I'm not looking at united thinking they aren't going to win something, I'm looking and thinking they are close.
 
Macariman said:
R u talking about players like Aguero, Vincete , De Brueyne, Vidic , Evra , RVN , RVP , Rooney and Keane and lots more besides ?
Then I'm baffled just what u possibly mean by that?
Let's not forget players like Henry., Bergamp and not forgetting Kane , Bruno.and Kante ?
Try Googling football, and see what it means !
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Why don't you, Henry and RVN ended up at Barca at Madrid. Rooney, and Kane are English

And the point is, when the English clubs bought those players, none of the other clubs were interested, apart from maybe Madrid and RVN, who chose united initially because they kept up contact after his injury.

And I said mostly.

Did you use your normal search engine, that IDFD keeps fact checking to prove you spout nonsense on a regular basis.
 
Where Spain has really dominated generally is picking up the top south american players generally speaking they've always been able to attract the top players from that part of the world and there's generally been a reluctance from players there to come to England often complicated by our work permit rules. Barca have always been good at getting the Dutch players as well due to the links to Cruyff.

Where England has been strong is not only retaining the top English talent but also picking up the best of the other european talent. The top Germany/Spanish/Italian/English players have always tended to stay at home and not move abroad the wages are good enough at home I guess although we are starting to see them move around a little more especially the German lads.

There was big talk 12 months ago about this brand new recruitment structure at the club and we saw during this season the restructures of certain departments so now we need to see some of the fruits of that labour. These guys need to start spotting a few "moneyball" type signings players who are maybe under valued by the market but can slot staight into Ole's team and deliver results. Can we find clubs in a bit of financial turmoil that we can take advantage of to land talented players clubs that maybe got relegated or budgeted for european football and didn't get it.

This team of people need to really deliver this summer as the market is tight so we need to be finding the best we can get.
 
jsp said:
I'd say we need 2 or 3 starting quality to make decent progress. A Centre Back, a Centre Mid and a wide player to me are the essential recruits this summer. Simply put we can't have players like Lindelof, Fred and McTominay starting every single game for us next season we need better than that and we also need to be able to call upon a quality attacking player off the bench.

What will they cost? A starting quality player probably costs on average £50m so lets say £150m.

I don't think we'll get 3 top quality signings this summer my guess is we get 2 and probably 1 squad player.

I'm not getting to excited over transfers to be honest every clubs just made massive losses for 2 years in a row so expecting a massive squad overhaul is unrealistic unless you have owners with deep pockets that are willing to invest and take advantage of that.

Whatever happens we can't afford what happened last season where we basically start next season with the same XI players we finished this season with starting most games.
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Yes , very diplomatic. Utd can't be anywhere near where we should be if we have the same attitude upstairs as what I'm reading down.
If this softly softly attitude is gonnna be.the absolute
mindset of what you're hoping for , we wil be also rans yet again
Pepe , probably
Tuchel, id.say so
Klopp. Yeah, hell look
OGS . ?
 
Mr C said:
No way Kane picks Chelsea over united.

He's picking City because of his age, he's leaving Spurs for instant success, we all know united are not that at the moment, but players want to come to united still, they are not that far off, and even with Citys success, United are still the bigger club.

Even so, I don' think united are interested in Kane, so who knows he would have chosen over the two. But you'd think City for the reason I gave above. If I'm a 23 year old player, I'm not looking at united thinking they aren't going to win something, I'm looking and thinking they are close.
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Chelsea would offer a straighter path to trophies than United at the moment, although the Spurs thing might play a part. Other than that, we're making the same point. Top players in their prime aren't coming to United because they will do whatever it takes to win the biggest trophies, and we won't.

If the Glazers have a come to Jesus moment or we're taken over by somebody with sporting ambition, we're suddenly a very attractive proposition. Say, Bezos buys us tomorrow and at his first presser states that he want's to win the league and CL within two years. Every top player is interested. Under the Glazers, not so much.
 

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