Paulo Dybala

Because his attitude towards the negotiations meant we were no longer interested.
 
Sounds like it was Juve pushing everything more than the player he didn't want to come to England full stop his preference has always been a move to Spain if he had to leave Juventus.

They might still try and force him out to get him off the wage bill but I don't think any of the rich Spanish clubs are really interested in him as they've already got those positions covered.
 
Ole just said something intersting at the pre match press gig.

About signings,

it’s not about suddenly changing it at all when you haven’t got the right ones and the correct answers from the players you wanted to have

The bit I have undelined is key for me, and probably why Dybala etc. didn't come. This is a welcome change and probably would have stopped things like Di Maria and Sanchez etc.
 
Worryingly it shows that the pulling power of the badge is gone Utd need to sort things on the pitch to make these guys want to come you need to have the best players if you want to win that's a fact. You obviously can find the off hidden gem and develop a few from within but you need to be able to attract the best and right now the best don't want to come here that needs addressing.

Missing top 4 last season probably did have an effect on what we could do this summer if we had CL football maybe Dybala is interested and maybe others are interested, maybe the budget is a little bigger as well as you have that income to play with etc.

Anyway that's all done season starts now so no point dwelling on it... I'll do that in another thread.

Not saying I'm looking forward to seeing them this season but I am interested to see how Ole attacks it I didn't watch any of the pre season games but sounds like we're going for a 4-2-3-1 rather than the 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 diamond we saw last season.

We all assume it's Lindelöf and Maguire as the first choice CB pair with Shaw & AWB.

The midfield is the interesting bit will he stick with he old war horse in Matic of will he put McTominay in alongside Pogba in that midfield and in the number 10 spot will he go for Lingard or Mata, my guess is it'll be Mata with Lingard playing from the right of the 3 behind the striker, I don't see James or Greenwood starting games just yet.
 
Ole just said something intersting at the pre match press gig.

About signings,

it’s not about suddenly changing it at all when you haven’t got the right ones and the correct answers from the players you wanted to have

The bit I have undelined is key for me, and probably why Dybala etc. didn't come. This is a welcome change and probably would have stopped things like Di Maria and Sanchez etc.

I like Ole, he's a club legend and could be a good manager for us. But having just read his comments my general reaction is either he's saying what he has to say or he's completely and utterly clueless. I'll opt to believe the former.
 
I like Ole, he's a club legend and could be a good manager for us. But having just read his comments my general reaction is either he's saying what he has to say or he's completely and utterly clueless. I'll opt to believe the former.
What did he say that you didn’t agree with? I think he was spot on about changing the attitudes and identifying and signing the right players who have the vision of the club. Fans are disappointed but if he has a group of lads that he can trust and start to build a team again then I don’t think it’ll be long before we see rewards.
 
If Dybala wants to come becasue we have CL football, he is not the type of player we are targetting, quite the opposite, which makes more sense of Ole's comment. We want hungry young players who want to get the club back up there. No someone who is only interested in themsleves. I assume Maguire and James, AWB haven't joined to get united into 5th and 6th and maybe get a cup. They are here to get united back up to the top. This is the player we should be targeting for sure
 
What did he say that you didn’t agree with? I think he was spot on about changing the attitudes and identifying and signing the right players who have the vision of the club. Fans are disappointed but if he has a group of lads that he can trust and start to build a team again then I don’t think it’ll be long before we see rewards.
He said he trusts the players that are here. In some cases i hope that means trusts them to be bad and that we can't rely on them.
 
Looks like Dybala's wish to play CL football might not come true. I read today he;s been told by Juve he wont be in their CL squad.

To be honest, I can't believe they'd leave him out, funny if they did though.
 
Looks like Dybala's wish to play CL football might not come true. I read today he;s been told by Juve he wont be in their CL squad.

To be honest, I can't believe they'd leave him out, funny if they did though.
Oh wow can you imagine that? Jeez!
 
Not surprising really they gave him plenty of warning that he wasn't wanted anymore and Italian clubs are a lot more ruthless when it comes to forcing players out. They've signed quite a lot of foreign players lately so it might be that they can't actually fit him in as you only get 17 non home grown spots in your 25 man squad.

Sounds like him and his agent were being rather greedy with the English clubs as he didn't really want to come here and this whole 3rd party image rights thing was very complicated for the English clubs as our laws around the way you account for these for tax purposes are different to how it's done in Italy.

The only big club you could maybe see going for him would be Madrid but I don't think they need him or possibly PSG if Neymar leaves and they don't take a player as part of that deal.

Bayern maybe but not sure he's really what they're after they seemed to be after a proper winger rather than a player like Dybala as they were after Hudson-Odoi and Sane before his injury.
 
He's confirmed he'll be leaving Juve on a free.

Could be a solution to our right wing issues and allow us to focus money elsewhere.
 
Isn't he a bit of trouble though, don't we want to be getting rid of players like him and getting more focused team players?
 
He's confirmed he'll be leaving Juve on a free.

Could be a solution to our right wing issues and allow us to focus money elsewhere.

He's a very versatile player which makes him useful but he tends to be better when he's more central.

Hard to really say how he'd fit in until we know who the manager is going to be and what system they will want to use.

He's leaving because he wants a stonkingly high wage and Juventus have told him no chance as he isn't reliable 113 goals in 283 games and there's been a bit of a drop off in the last few seasons as well. Kind of known for being a guy who goes missing in the big games as well. If he'd been a bit more reasonable with his wage demands they'd probably have given him a new deal.

What you save on a transfer fee with him you'll pay in wages and I don't think Utd will want another big earner going straight on the books.

If he's willing to come on sensible wages you maybe can take the gamble on him but if he wants £350k a week which is apparently what he asked for at Juve then forget it.
 
The reports I read were that he wants €10m a year. Which is €200k a week.
 
Think those figures are after tax as that's how they report in Italy whereas in UK we report the wages before tax.

His current salary from what I can work out is 13m a year (250k a week) which works out to around 7m a year after tax so if he wants 10m a year after tax you are looking at around 15m a year in wages (300k a week.

No doubt now he's on a free he'll be looking for a singing on fee and a big fat cheque for his agent as well just like the Sanchez deal it could get very expensive very quickly.

Given we're building a side over the next 2-3 seasons I'd rather spend some money on a transfer fee and get a guy who's 23/24 and on the way up not a guy who at 28 looks to be on the way down.

Going to take a big budget this summer to solve our problems and prices are going to go nuts if Newcastle start pumping up the prices.
 
If he's got the right kind of attitude and work rate then sure United should consider him. But he needs to fit the style and system they want to play. He needs to come in and want to work hard. If he doesn't then United should not even consider it.
 
I don't think this is the sort of player we want, his wife is way to active on social media when things are going how he wants
 
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If ETH is thinking about playing a false 9 system with Ronaldo leaving which he did at Ajax with Tadic then there might be some logic to this type of deal... plus the fact we don't have a bottomless pit of cash.

There are a lot of red flags around this one for me but it maybe is the card we have to play in the current circumstances and see how it goes.
 
My concern with Dybala would be his work rate. Again I'm not sure he's a fit for the ETH system. That said he's a very talented player.
 
My concern with Dybala would be his work rate. Again I'm not sure he's a fit for the ETH system. That said he's a very talented player.

I don't really recall him ever being a player who's criticised as being lazy.

If we're going with the false 9 system which the signings do kind of suggest he might actually be a smart signing but if we're going to play that way we're going to need to be a lot better at keeping possession than we have been.
 
Admire them as footballers but we should give Argentinians a swerve wherever possible, they just don't work at Old Trafford.
 
A clearly very talented player so I’m not against this move on a free, as it could turn out to be a master stroke. But I just get vibes that it could be a total disaster.
 
Hope i'm wrong, but wondering if the sudden interest in Dybala is not so much the need for a replacement for Ronaldo, but trying to sign his best buddy(they were inseparable at Juve and have oft messaged each other about working together again) to get Ronaldo back on side.
 
Admire them as footballers but we should give Argentinians a swerve wherever possible, they just don't work at Old Trafford.

I'd say it's been a mixed bag

Veron - class player but came at the wrong time.
Tevez - brilliant
Heinze - good until he got injured
Di Maria- didn't work out.

They were good while they were here but they don't always go on the best of terms.
 
I'd say it's been a mixed bag

Veron - class player but came at the wrong time.
Tevez - brilliant
Heinze - good until he got injured
Di Maria- didn't work out.

They were good while they were here but they don't always go on the best of terms.

It's not so much the players who were all extremely talented it's their agents and the shenanigans they get up to as soon as their client arrives at the club, don't know if they are the same at other clubs, don't really care.
 
It's not so much the players who were all extremely talented it's their agents and the shenanigans they get up to as soon as their client arrives at the club, don't know if they are the same at other clubs, don't really care.

Think like with most foreign players you have to remember these guys are hired guns they've left home to make as much money as possible so if they don't settle or they get better offers elsewhere then they'll probably look to move on which is fine if you go in with that mentality.

I forgot Rojo on my list of Argentine players he was alright injuries hindered him but he was a pretty solid squad player for a few years but think we were right to move him out when we did. Absolute liability in the VAR era that guy.
 
I'd say it's been a mixed bag

Veron - class player but came at the wrong time.
Tevez - brilliant
Heinze - good until he got injured
Di Maria- didn't work out.

They were good while they were here but they don't always go on the best of terms.
You forgot the legend that is Rojo!
 
Think like with most foreign players you have to remember these guys are hired guns they've left home to make as much money as possible so if they don't settle or they get better offers elsewhere then they'll probably look to move on which is fine if you go in with that mentality.

I forgot Rojo on my list of Argentine players he was alright injuries hindered him but he was a pretty solid squad player for a few years but think we were right to move him out when we did. Absolute liability in the VAR era that guy.

Romero as well.

If you pay them top dollar at the outset they're fine, Aguero went to City and was instantly earning as much as their top earner and they never had any problems with him, or his agent, but if you pay them a competitive wage ie. one they wouldn't get better elsewhere like we did with Tevez and Heinze and they have a very good first season their agent demands parity with the top earners or they threaten to move their client on and it gets to a point it's just not worth the hassle keeping them around - that may well work in South America but it doesn't in Europe and rightly so.
 
Romero as well.

If you pay them top dollar at the outset they're fine, Aguero went to City and was instantly earning as much as their top earner and they never had any problems with him, or his agent, but if you pay them a competitive wage ie. one they wouldn't get better elsewhere like we did with Tevez and Heinze and they have a very good first season their agent demands parity with the top earners or they threaten to move their client on and it gets to a point it's just not worth the hassle keeping them around - that may well work in South America but it doesn't in Europe and rightly so.

Think the issue for Heinze was we signed Evra and eventually he took his spot and Heinze didn't want to be a backup player, Tevez got offered a stonking amount of money by City which Utd were never going to match so he packed his bags and went. Heinze caused a bit of fuss as he got interest from Liverpool and was willing to make the jump but they're glorified agency workers and loyalty works both ways.

Aguero or Zabaletta are good examples of when it works well they came in to City were happy and performed so City kept giving them new contracts on good money as did Otamendi but when it came time to move they moved on.

There's plenty of British/Irish lads who've chucked their weight around to get better deals Keane, Rio, Becks and Rooney. If you are playing well and contributing you want rewarding that is part of being a professional.

For me the only bad one was Di Maria and that was two parts 1) he didn't really want to come here and 2) he really didn't get on with Van Gaal.
 
I kinda get why the agents move their players on, then try and move them on again the following season when they first bring them to Europe as they don't only represent the players they actual own a half, or two thirds of said player and need sales and/or massive pay rises to pay the original selling club as they know if they don't they may well be erm disappeared!

But once they've paid the selling club in full, and it's usually only a few million, and the player is established it's just pure greed from then on, and they use their players to do it.

It's funny the only Argie who we didn't have problems with, or their agent once they were signed was Seba Veron. And if people think this de Jong transfer is dragging that was even worse after we'd agreed a fee(circa £23.8m), when he did eventually sign months later it was for £28.1m with £4.3m going to the agent which was obviously what the hold up was, the beginning of SAF's there's no value in the market, and the end of Peter Kenyon for agreeing to pay the massive agent fee when previously that was up to the player to sort out, and not the buying club.
 
I kinda get why the agents move their players on, then try and move them on again the following season when they first bring them to Europe as they don't only represent the players they actual own a half, or two thirds of said player and need sales and/or massive pay rises to pay the original selling club as they know if they don't they may well be erm disappeared!

But once they've paid the selling club in full, and it's usually only a few million, and the player is established it's just pure greed from then on, and they use their players to do it.

It's funny the only Argie who we didn't have problems with, or their agent once they were signed was Seba Veron. And if people think this de Jong transfer is dragging that was even worse after we'd agreed a fee(circa £23.8m), when he did eventually sign months later it was for £28.1m with £4.3m going to the agent which was obviously what the hold up was, the beginning of SAF's there's no value in the market, and the end of Peter Kenyon for agreeing to pay the massive agent fee when previously that was up to the player to sort out, and not the buying club.

Well that is now illegal thanks to the Tevez/Mascherano situation clubs are no longer able to sell rights to any player to a third party. This was rife in South America and Portugal a decade ago as cash strapped clubs sold stakes in players to investors in return for quick cash, this created huge problems and it’s why it was banned.
 

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