1) The atmosphere and mood around the club is at an all time low.
2) The football is much much worse.
3) A lot, a lot a lot, of money has been spent so the results are unacceptable.
4) Moyes didn't do a good job but he wasn't helped. Woodward didn't improve his side and he did have a lot of bad luck.
5) Jose is a D bag.
I think I like to put this season into context over the Moyes one. Moyes had a squad that was on the down and his signing of Fellaini was it. Jose has had all this time to asssmble a squad and get rid of the deadwood and while we have some very good players, he’s not motivating them, he’s playing players who are out of form and he seems at odds with a lot of players. The Moyes season was bad and also LVG ones but I think LVG at least had some sort of plan. We seem to go into games with no plan A, that’s why I could easily construe this season on a par with the Moyes one.
Moyes gets a serious pass regarding the squad he had and I’ll never understand it. The team had just cantered to the league title. Fergie would have won the league again with that team and began the rebuilding process. Moyes should never have sacked Fergies backroom staff. Was ludicrous.
Both seasons have one thing in common. The transactions over the summer were dragged out didn’t get over the line and the manager was let down by Woodward.
Moyes was just never up to the job didn’t show anything at Everton that made him look capable of being a Utd manager even Everton fans weren’t sad to see the back of him. He suffered more than he should have because of the lack of future proofing the club did off the pitch to prepare for Fergie retirement. The club are still praying they find another Fergie but they won’t he was the last of his kind the world changed and while he adapted and evolved when others didn’t there will be no more of his ilk.
In terms of individual talent this squad is probably the best we’ve had post Moyes but the football now really isn’t any better than it was under LVG to the point where loads of people are struggling to watch it. I still think that final LVG season was the low point because watching him be a dead man walking for so long was tough but we really are heading towards that again this season if things don’t change.
If this carries on the same way for another few months it will be every bit as bad as the Moyes season and LVG's second season. It's atrocious. It should be bought to a stop right now, I don't care how much it costs to get rid of him or who or who isn't available, we'd be better with Mcenna in charge.
What sort of clown would keep playing Matic week in and out? Who would play a back 3 against 18th in the table Southampton with Matic and McTominay and Jones????? Fred is on the bench and doesnt get a look in?
Conte and Pogba worked well together at Juventus so who knows.
It is a bit out of the frying pan and into the fire with that option because they are fairly similar characters the only thing I'd say is Conte probably has a better track record of getting the best out of what he's inherited quickly than Mourinho BUT once he does that he quickly puts the pressure on the board for more and more.
LVG remains the low point under him we didn't even have a shot let alone miss a chance in a lot of games it was so painful because the players just couldn't implement his plans going forward. His system was out dated and sides knew if they just stayed compact in the middle of the pitch Utd wouldn't get anywhere.
It's similar to where we are right now what they plan is going forward it's not working we don't score enough goals and now the defence has started shipping more goals we are in big trouble.
Why do people still think that a couple of positive results and slightly better performances and this team have turned a corner? How many false dawns do you need to see before it's accepted that the team isn't very good and the manager is worse.
I still don't think I'm quite at worst season yet but I am very close a beating off Liverpool would probably tip me over the edge and say it's on par with LVG season 2.
If this happens we can't go down the dead man walking route again we have to sack the manager and get in someone else.
We had a bad start 5 games in think we'd already lost 2 and gone out of league cup he's had another 10-15 games to sort it out and all the problems that were evident against Brighton & Spurs are still there.
I know he hasn't been able to bring in any more players but realistically he isn't going to do that in January either might get 1 but he clearly hasn't got any ideas on how to get this lot to play better they obviously aren't good enough to finish 1st but player for player that squad should be challenging Spurs/Chelsea/Arsenal for the other top 4 spots.
If he was at any other top club he'd have been sacked by now they simply wouldn't stand for it and neither should we he's had 2 seasons he's not taken us forward we are exactly where we were under LVG. He's had plenty of money and time to build his squad and it's not even showing signs of moving forward.