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- May 8, 2011
The attacking play is very poor; it's disjointed and the team resorted to hoofball again. This United doesn't create enough chances. It's not good enough.
Couldn't agree more. Thing is... Jose was never going to be the right man to fix the attack. And in this day and age its all about attacking play. Look at the top teams around Europe. Real, Barca, Juve to an extent, City, PSG, Liverpool. They are all attack first teams because that's how the game is right now.The issues with the attacking play has little to do with Moyes and Van Gaal. Mourinho has been the manager for over two years. The likes of Bielsa at Leeds and Sarri at Chelsea have had an immediate impact on the style of play.
Well he inherited almost no attack when he joined.The issues with the attacking play has little to do with Moyes and Van Gaal. Mourinho has been the manager for over two years. The likes of Bielsa at Leeds and Sarri at Chelsea have had an immediate impact on the style of play.
The quality of football in Mourinho's first season was the best we've seen during his tenure.Well he inherited almost no attack when he joined.
Rooney was finished
Martial & Rashford were teenagers
Depay had thrown the towel in
Mata never really fit his style hence why he sold him
He/the club have bought in a few players to solve this Zlatan, Mhiki, Lukaku, Sanchez but 2 have already left for different reason.
Sarri has had an immediate impact on Chelsea. Chelsea look like a team with a plan. Carragher analysed Sarri's impact on MNF: Chelsea’s change of style under Maurizio Sarri examinedSarri really hasn’t changed that attack much it was a functioning attack that relies on the brilliance of Hazard he’s on his game currently so he’s making them look great. We hoped Sanchez would be that guy as he’s got the quality but he just isn’t performing anything like Hazard is currently.
Couldn't agree more. Thing is... Jose was never going to be the right man to fix the attack. And in this day and age its all about attacking play. Look at the top teams around Europe. Real, Barca, Juve to an extent, City, PSG, Liverpool. They are all attack first teams because that's how the game is right now.
I dunno the first 2 months of last season was the best football we’ve seen but it didn’t last long the first season was very frustrating as we just couldn’t score in the league.The quality of football in Mourinho's first season was the best we've seen during his tenure.
Sarri has had an immediate impact on Chelsea. Chelsea look like a team with a plan. Carragher analysed Sarri's impact on MNF: Chelsea’s change of style under Maurizio Sarri examined
The problem with your question is that its based on an assumption that I experience "glee" so it's a leading question based on two limited alternatives. If I asked you "when did you stop beating your wife up 2014 or 2015?" you might rightly say " I can't answer that one because I don't beat my wife (or don't have one , or I have a husband...etc)"An honest one. It was a genuine question based on your posts.
I'm sick to death of thinking about the many, many issues and what is wrong with us. I've decided that it's 50% the players and 50% Jose's fault and a change of manager is now needed at the end of the season as this situation can'not go on. We have a board appearing not to back Jose, a manger who doesn't seem to be able to get us to play and a star player in conflict with the manager. It's time for a change.
Don't you think 3 years is enough time to make a change? Obviously Jose has time to turn this around this season but I just can't see it, can you? If you want crap football, a fight to be top 4 every season and getting knocked out the UCL at the group or first knockout stage then you guys carry on singing Jose's song but for me something has to change. It's very clear that the Glazers won't sell up (why would they with an ATM giving out free money as a business), the players will change and evolve so to me Jose is the fall guy. Just look at Chelsea after he was sacked second time, soon as he went they were transformed back into a winning team!itsallinthemind
If you think changing the manager for the 3rd time in 5 years is going to solve anything you are mistaken. We'll be changing manager again in two years if we carry on doing that.
The problem is much deeper than that.
You're talking about one of the most successful managers in football, who has won everything in multiple leagues. He won the prem not so long ago. You may not like his football, but can't doubt his pedigree.
The best news I could hear is the club has been sold, or at least Woodward has been sacked.
Let's clear this up. If we are talking about the attacking play and style then I have to talk about wanting Jose to go. It's not negativity either. I'm a very positive person and also very positive in my ideas around how my team should play football. I don't believe we should be going 1-0 up at home and then be trying to shut up shop or cautiously play to the scoreboard. I don't think we should be allowing teams time and space at OT and allowing them to easily play it around whilst at the same time they hound us to death while we have ball. I think teams should react to us not then other way round , especially when it's lesser opponents at home. I want my team to show movement , intensity, be on the front foot and intimidating wherever possible , not showing the other team too much respect. I want teams to visit OT and feel intimidated. I also don't believe in criticising players in public or managers not taking responsibility or moaning or game playing with the media using long stupid lists to pretend he's being victimised. He's not being victimised. His teams play awful , disjointed football quite a lot of the time and his only get out of jail card is to get results - and that isn't happening.You are way to negative for me to take you serioudly, nothing has any strength to it other than you want Jose out
I do get where you're coming from. It's just frustrating for me seeing us drop points and then seeing the anti Mourinho brigade getting all excited. I can see both sides of the coin. The frustration with our football when we play like we did on Saturday. The strange choices in subs (Did Mata really play down the left i'm sure to me he was) and the fact after 6 games it's clear we wont be winning the league this season. Add to that the fact the two main clubs that are looking like winning at the moment are our two biggest rivals and it's compelling for Mourinho sacked argument to be made.To be honest I haven't really properly worked out how to feel. I feel sorry for the team and I want us to do well but I end up finding that we are only ever one game away from another disappointing performance. I dream of seeing the same set of players explode into life under a different manager , but I hate seeing the long , drawn out process that we will have to go through before he gets sacked. Defeats are like how a dentists drill feels. It's not a gleeful thing at all but I'm glad its happening because it's for the best if I don't want to end up with an absyss.
I would prefer that United fans and the chairman would see sense and do the inevitable , but unfortunately I'm left with the ugly , hard to palate option of not hating defeats as much as I used to because at least they will hasten a possible new dawn. The only real exception to this will be the Liverpool / City matches of course. Honest enough for you?
Oh no. You are not fully out of the Matrix quite yet. Rather stick than twist? My God man , he's got to go , period , end of. There's any number of managers I would take a punt on before keeping Jose. The red pill has been taken and your tubes are out but you haven't quite slide down the waste pipe into the water yet. No messing about , he's got to go asap , the sooner we get on with a different future the better. Don't even consider sticking. It's too late turn back now. It's not about hating the guy , it's just he's pants for us. I don't hate my neighbours dog but I most certainly object when it $%^S all over my drive.I'm not anti Jose like others are, I just think there needs to be some change. BUT if we have a look at the end of the season and there isn't anyone out there better I'd rather stick than twist. The new man HAS to fit Utd, not the other way round.
No we haven't. We got rid of one cautious manager with past glories behind him and replaced him with another cautious manager with past glories behind him. We just repeated the same mistake twice.I don't think many fans are happy with the football, the point is, throwing the manager out is not going to fix it, we have tried that.
It makes you wonder how many more lesser teams giving us football lessons it will take before we all figure out that it's just not happening and it probably never will under this guy. Teams are starting to come to OT and not feel nervous. They are almost relishing it.We have been outplayed by Leicester, Wolves and Derby at OT this season so far.
Teams started coming to Old Trafford and not fearing us under Moyes. If you've only just caught up on that one it'd be a surprise. Moyes ruined that in about 3 months. In fact last season was our best home season we've had in many years. We also had our longest unbeaten run in the clubs history at home under Mourinho.It makes you wonder how many more lesser teams giving us football lessons it will take before we all figure out that it's just not happening and it probably never will under this guy. Teams are starting to come to OT and not feel nervous. They are almost relishing it.
How many more games like this will it take. 3 seasons and he still can't create the chemistry needed.
I am sorry mate but although the stats might say we were the better team the eyes didn't. Their passing and movement was much slicker than ours.How in the hell were we outplayed by Wolves? We had 65% possession, more shots, more corners, more passes, the territorial advantage a higher pass completion rate and in the final third. A higher dribble percentage rate. In fact there isn't a single statistical measure that says we were out played by Wolves. We were the better side and I know people love revisionism on this forum but fcol they hit us on the counter when we were going for a second. You lot are the same god damn people that got fed up with us sitting on a 1-0 lead.