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- May 8, 2011
Saturday, 14th September 2019
My God really? Pogba out means zero creativity. AWB potentially out means god knows what at RB. Jeez what a mess.Pogba, Shaw, Dalot and Martial out. Lingard and Wan-Bissaka doubtful.
It has the potential to be a ropey old line up tomorrow!
It's CL or bust that's the expectation they've set. They've set that for other proven managers so they can't bend that for Ole. This team simply cannot afford to miss out on top 4 this year. The appeal to bring in top players can only last so long and won't continue if we keep missing out on CL.In fairness I am not particularly alarmed by it. We talk about long term as if that's what we have been doing the last 7 seven years. It has been 3 lots of short term vision. I still have doubts about ole as a coach but I can see some long term thinking at the moment. My worries are more whether Woodward and the owners will hold their nerve. If we haven't progressed after the next 2 transfer windows then it's a different conversation
I don't disagree I'm just saying the standard has been set for more proven managers. And they shouldn't stick with Ole just because people say they need to stick with a manager long term. If he isn't the right man he isn't the right man. I guess whether he is or not is still up in the air but I don't think he is. That's just my opinion though.I disagree on that tbh. That expectation at this point I think is unrealistic. For me it would be a massive bonus. It isn't a case of bending the rules, there is no hard and fast rule surely, more of a reassessment of where we are.
If 6th was embarrassing then why could that be enough for Ole this year?The message from the club is they’re looking at a long term rebuild rather than quick fixes in the hope of instant success but talk is cheap let’s see them back it up with action.
The issue is to be at the top you need to attract top players and they want to go to clubs where they can win you can’t take to many steps backwards before moving forward.
Last season was a disaster finishing 6th is embarrassing for a club with our resources they’ve done the right thing in clearing out players this summer but more action was required both in and out but 4th has to remain the minimum expectation for Ole. If he wants to play a long game he still needs to deliver in the short term.
He might survive if Utd finish 5th or 6th but if they bottle it again like they did last season I think that he will struggle to keep his job especially if there are top managers on the market. Right now the big name out of work is Allegri and if results aren’t good at any club he’ll be the one getting linked
It's all about the context if he can say look we've finished 6th but we've challenged for the top 4 got more points than last season, let in less goals and scored more goals, cleared the decks and integrated some youngsters then he might get to carry on as all other indicators point up apart from league finish. That still might not be enough a club like Utd should be in the CL every year but we don't have a god given right to be and our ambitions should be bigger you finish in the top 4 by trying to win the league not by trying to finish top 4. That standard needs to be put back in place but we all know the message from the top is top 4 is good enough as they only care about money.If 6th was embarrassing then why could that be enough for Ole this year?
I'm all for long game but you have to have the right man for that. Klopp was long term ish. Poch took time to build. But they had clear direction and a clear style and showed progress.