Looking at it completely objectively the only way the ref gives that is if he doesn’t see the defenders contact on the ball. It's not even harsh , it's just a mistake. For a penalty there has to be no doubt. For me it’s a decent tackle as he gets the ball and VAR would have overruled the decision because once you see the ball contact then it’s very hard if not impossible to say it’s a clear and obvious foul. I'm not sure what Gary Neville is saying. He seems to not even consider the possibility that its not a pen. It's as if he hasn't even seen the defender get his foot on the ball.
I agree you go down. But just because you’re going down doesn’t make it a foul. You also don’t go down the way he did if going down naturally.That was not a dive I'm sorry but if you're running at near full speed and someone steps across you there's no way you stay on your feet you will be knocked over.
His leg was right across Martials body, Martial did make a meal of the subsequent dive but its clear cut.
Unless I've completely misunderstood the rules for the last 30 years it doesn't matter "how much" contact he got on the ball , only that he made contact. There are no rules that say if you only get a "feathery" touch on the ball that that is "not enough" , any contact is enough. The fact that he takes Martial out in the motion of getting to the ball makes no difference either , otherwise some of the greatest tackle ever seen in the history of football would be fouls. Where the ball ends up after the tackle is also irrelevant. The fact that Martial can't get to the ball afterwards is also irrelevant because in order to win the ball the defender is almost guaranteed to bring him down. There's no way to avoid the possibility of bringing him down in the motion of the tackle , so it's legal.I think it's a difficult one, so fair enough to give it.
For me, he got the ball. but no enough, if he hadn't have taken Martial out, he could have still got to the ball.
Gueye didn't change the direction of the ball
when he got the slightest contact on the ball
Direct free kick offences...but he did, you can see it with your own eyes. You then say.......
...and this is what makes the difference between a penalty and no penalty. Contact with the ball is still contact with the ball , just like if the ball is over the line by 1 cm then its still a goal just the same as if its nestled in the net. Once you accept that there was contact however slight then you have a difficult time saying its a penalty. You would have to demonstrate that it was dangerous , or that it was leg first then ball or some second movement to bring down Martial.
I'm convinced the ref gave it for no other reason than because he didn't see the contact on the ball.
But there's no evidence that he attempted to trip Martial is there. If he did attempt to trip him he did a brilliant job of making it look like he was tackling him. Are you suggesting that he won the ball "by accident"?Trips or attempts to trip an opponent ~ Tick
This obviously doesn't apply when making a tackle otherwise more than half of the good tackles we see would be fouls.Impeding the progress of an opponent with contact ~ Tick
in my opinion for that tackle to be fair he'd need to kick the ball either clearly out of play behind the goal, or change the direction towards a throw in. He gets a little stud on the ball which maybe changes the direction slightly away from goal but Martial would still easily have kept the ball in play had he been able to continue his run.
I'm only quoting the laws of the game and this is the important bit "careless , reckless or using excessive force" now it's obviously not excessive force but it is careless and the foul is stopping the players forward momentum. You can still make contact with an opponent as long as it doesn't fulfill one of those 3 levels of criteria the ball is not considered when judging a foul hence why almost any contact with the player now results in a foul.So you’re concluding then JSP that football is now completely a non contact sport?
He also made more contact on the ball than you’re making out. Massively more. The ball doesn’t only change direction it moves in the complete opposite direction the only reason it looks like it doesn’t is because it then ricochets back off of Martials left leg.
Martial moves the ball, he reads it beats Martial to it and Martial trips over and makes a meal of it. Perfect challenge. Now defenders aren’t allowed to make a challenge. The game is obviously f^cked. Vidic is a lucky boy he’s retired.
I don't think you are attacking me and I am not attacking you. I'm just a bit taken aback by your lack of critical thinking in relation to the laws. I'm only using so many words on this because I'm having to explain to you what should be obvious , namely , he got the ball first with a (non dangerous) tackling leg therefore we have very little case to say it's a penalty. It's like you don't understand what a tackle actually is. It's not a personal thing against you , I just find it hard to believe that you can't see that.Did it really take 3 posts to get your response down.
My point wasn't to attack you or anyone else my point was read what the laws of the game actually say and as you say the ball is not relevant to the decision making process.
I'm only quoting the laws of the game and this is the important bit "careless , reckless or using excessive force" now it's obviously not excessive force but it is careless and the foul is stopping the players forward momentum.