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It is true though. Right now he's done nothing to prove my thoughts wrong.
It isn't true he gets more leeway. And you're aware of that.
It is true though. Right now he's done nothing to prove my thoughts wrong.
My issue is that I have the same complaints as I did 1-2 years ago. His improvement is minimal. The performance against Young Boys should have had alarm bells ringing for even his staunchest supporters.
Is that a question or a statement?My problem is this. You were chairman of the Mourinho out party. Another manager comes in and everyone is getting aboard the Ole out party. Are we just going to keep trundling through managers with no direction? Do you think Ole hasn't taken this club massive strides forwards and the club is in a much better place than when he took over?
Let's put it another way. He's just watched his side fire in 27 shots against West Ham. No goals and out of a domestic trophy at 1st port of call.Not really. You’re basing an argument about how bad Ole is on how many shots we’ve had without scoring.
Need to take those Ole out tinted spectacles off for one moment and have a coherent argument.
Are you incapable of reading? Accept that someone has a different opinion than you.My problem is this. You were chairman of the Mourinho out party. Another manager comes in and everyone is getting aboard the Ole out party. Are we just going to keep trundling through managers with no direction? Do you think Ole hasn't taken this club massive strides forwards and the club is in a much better place than when he took over?
Ok, well let's proceed with Ole competing with Guardiola, Tuchel & Klopp for another few years and see how we go?My problem is this. You were chairman of the Mourinho out party. Another manager comes in and everyone is getting aboard the Ole out party. Are we just going to keep trundling through managers with no direction? Do you think Ole hasn't taken this club massive strides forwards and the club is in a much better place than when he took over?
He gets more leeway with the fans is what I'm saying.It isn't true he gets more leeway. And you're aware of that.
If it's not coaches coaching the team then they can go anyway
Ole is doing well as manager, looking at team play, it's the coaching where the problems lie
Can't find any actual quotes, but reports of players not liking his coaching and methods, lacks experience etc, which is a bit how we play
He gets more leeway with the fans is what I'm saying.
Are you incapable of reading? Accept that someone has a different opinion than you.
How long are you prepared to hold onto a manager whose not good enough to win the big trophies? Five years? Ten?It's clear I don't like seeing managers sacked. Especially when you can see they're moving the club forwards. Others think sacking the manager is always the best option.
I think you've got to analyse it a bit more than just trophies. The club was in a total mess through throwing a new manager in every two years. You cannot do that at a club like United where the manager picks the players he wants.
Ole has done an amazing job sorting this side of things out. In the background the club seems to be being run much better.
The focus now must be on the results and performances. Of course he needs more time, but he's put the pressure on himself with poor performances and results.
Questions should be asked, because currently it's not encouraging.
Why did he wait so long to make attacking subs yesterday?
Honest question as I wasn't here then, and couldn't be bothered to dig through old threads. What was the mood like on here at the end of the Mourinho reign? Were people optimistic about the future? Did they feel like we could consistently challenge for trophies? Did they foresee a return to the top 4 where we could hold our own against the big boys? Or, did they expect us to do what Arsenal have done, and plummet into mid table mediocrity?How long are you prepared to hold onto a manager whose not good enough to win the big trophies? Five years? Ten?
In hindsight it would have been a bad decision because of Maguire's injury. But for me changes needed to be made before the 66th minute
The Mourinho out chairman quip was unnecessary. It’s typical of how you try to construct a discussion. I can’t be arsed with point scoring on the internet.I asked you two questions. But instead you'd prefer to be rude. Fair enough.
Perhaps accept someone has a different opinion. And will therefore have questions.
It's clear I don't like seeing managers sacked. Especially when you can see they're moving the club forwards. Others think sacking the manager is always the best option.
Just hope the owners targets are aligned withy our aspirations which isn't top 4 ( I am behind Ole by the way )You may have said it for a long time but it isn't true. If Ole looks like he's failing to reach the targets set by the owners he'll be sacked. He's just hit the targets set by them every season so far.
I think we have a defined way of playing its called attacking footballYou could get all the midfield players you want but if we don't have a system of play then it makes no difference. From the outset it has been clear we still do not have a defined way of playing. Even if you don't have the players, you start implementing a method of playing so all the current players are clear on their roles and responsibilities, and buy players to suit the system.
The Mourinho out chairman quip was unnecessary. It’s typical of how you try to construct a discussion. I can’t be arsed with point scoring on the internet.
Teams who are good at attacking football create more than a series of half chances; they carve teams open.I think we have a defined way of playing its called attacking football
Just seems Bob that there aren't too many of the same opinion as u and IAre you incapable of reading? Accept that someone has a different opinion than you.
And, unfortunately, a few more has followedAhh I disagree with that. Look how quickly in to his tenure this thread was started. Took a couple of losses after a 11 game winning streak.
Old school managers sat in their office?What if they are coaching the team to do exactly what Ole tells them to do?
As far as I’m aware Ole is hands on with the coaching he’s on the training pitch with them not sat in his office it’s his job to prepare them the coaches are there to support that. They are his coaches so if you think they are crap you have to include Ole in with them. I’ve not heard any rumours that Ole is some sort of old school manager who only turns up on match day to pick the team these guys don’t exist anymore he’s with them every day on the training ground coaching them. So what we see on matchdays is the result of his coaching.
It’s the one area that you can clearly say he’s failing but it’s the one thing we can all see for ourselves he’s done fantastic work but he needs to sort out the performances on the pitch quickly as that is where a manager has to be judged. A Utd manager has to be judged against the best because we demand that from our players so we must do the same with the manager.
50 I reckon. As long as it's Ole!How long are you prepared to hold onto a manager whose not good enough to win the big trophies? Five years? Ten?
And good DMs, look at who West Ham & Villa have playing in those positions. Quite impressive.Teams who are good at attacking football create more than a series of half chances; they carve teams open.
Great teams defend as well as they attack.
He's had almost 3 years to sort out his midfield mate. He signed DVDB, a very accomplished young player, but won't give him any bloody game time, thanks to his preference to u know who and whoThe last few games have not been great, on the eyes or on the results. Set targets for Ole, if he meets them he stays, if he doesn't, he goes. What do we consider the minimum targets he has to meet?
Top 3 finish
Semi-final of eitherEFL, FA Cup, or quarter-finals CL.
This season might be too early to demand silverware because our central midfield is a fecking joke. If we get someone in January to fill that role and we are still in contention for the league, the FA Cup, or the CL, then I'd upgrade the requirements to silverware.
I know I'm not meant to reply to you Mac, but I'll try to not be antogonistic on your post.
I can't see him being sacked first, he's just signed a new deal, and historically, we normally wait until we are out of all comps. And I'm not sure the ex pro's are saying sack him, they are saying he needs to turn it around.
Which is basically how I feel. I am a back Ole fan, not just because it's Ole, but because I'm not a big fan of continually sacking managers. So far he hasn't done anything to warrant sacking either, and there aren't exactly many candidates to replace him. I don't think we want a Conte type character who will just tear up all the good work Ole has done. It needs to be a like minded manager.
In the past I wanted Jardim, but I guess there is a problem with him as no big club has gone near him. And while he was at Bournemouth I thought Howe would be good. But clearly now he's not. So we have to be a bit careful about not just pumping for the lastest bright spark.
I don't think Ole should be sacked yet anyway, it's only 5 games into the season, but he is running out of time. And what's happened to Sancho, he seems to have gone backwards.
He's got start putting in some serious decent, convincing performances, and not continue with this walking on a tightrope of win or loss. When I'm listening I don't hear anywhere near enough possesion. And just stop this Mcfred in the centre, i
You're not being antogonistic, just antagonistic!I know I'm not meant to reply to you Mac, but I'll try to not be antogonistic on your post.
I can't see him being sacked first, he's just signed a new deal, and historically, we normally wait until we are out of all comps. And I'm not sure the ex pro's are saying sack him, they are saying he needs to turn it around.
Which is basically how I feel. I am a back Ole fan, not just because it's Ole, but because I'm not a big fan of continually sacking managers. So far he hasn't done anything to warrant sacking either, and there aren't exactly many candidates to replace him. I don't think we want a Conte type character who will just tear up all the good work Ole has done. It needs to be a like minded manager.
In the past I wanted Jardim, but I guess there is a problem with him as no big club has gone near him. And while he was at Bournemouth I thought Howe would be good. But clearly now he's not. So we have to be a bit careful about not just pumping for the lastest bright spark.
I don't think Ole should be sacked yet anyway, it's only 5 games into the season, but he is running out of time. And what's happened to Sancho, he seems to have gone backwards.
He's got start putting in some serious decent, convincing performances, and not continue with this walking on a tightrope of win or loss. When I'm listening I don't hear anywhere near enough possesion. And just stop this Mcfred in the centre, it doesn't work.
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