O-Dog
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Strange thing to say. Surely it's a straight forward yes or no?I think it's time I really reconsidered if I'm truly a United fan.
Strange thing to say. Surely it's a straight forward yes or no?I think it's time I really reconsidered if I'm truly a United fan.
Well I sat there willing Spurs on during the little bits I watched.Strange thing to say. Surely it's a straight forward yes or no?
Well I sat there willing Spurs on during the little bits I watched.
Well I sat there willing Spurs on during the little bits I watched.
United have lost 2 of 12 big games against the ‘big six’ under OGS
Doesn't matter how much was spent if Ed is the one doing the spending. Sir Alex is massively culpable for this mess as merely reinvesting the CR7 money in the summers following his departure would have avoided the entire situation.The Glazers aren’t good for the club we’re all aware of that. However are you criticising your boss regularly in public? Course you’re not. Ole would be committing career suicide to criticise the Glazers. The same way Fergie never did.
Also 900m in 6 seasons and the highest wage bill in the league for 3 out of the last 5 seasons is a significant investment. The problem hasn’t been a lack of money spent its that the money hasn’t been spent well.
Doesn't matter how much was spent if Ed is the one doing the spending. Sir Alex is massively culpable for this mess as merely reinvesting the CR7 money in the summers following his departure would have avoided the entire situation.
For me, the rot began in 2009, when CR7 was sold and Tevez allowed to leave that summer. Hindsight is 2020,but the cracks were becoming visible on 7 April 2010 when Louis van Gaal's Bayern knocked us out of the Champions League
Not harsh at all. In fact, way too lenient. Ole is being graded on a curve and still falling behind. The fact that a victory against Everton on Sunday will take him beyond Mourinho's total at the same stage last season also doesn't tell the full story.You make it sounds like Sir Alex had a choice in that the stranglehold of the PIK loans at that time made spending impossible so Fergie towed the club line with that whole no value in the market stuff replaced Ronaldo with Valencia which wasn't a terrible signing but replacing Ronaldo at that point was impossible as he was the best player in the world. We could have maybe took Robben at that time but I think Fergie was concerned about him coming back to England where he'd struggled at times and the fact he'd stitched Utd up probably left a sour taste. Losing Tevez as well that summer was a real double whammy especially when he was replaced by Owen.
I certainly think 2009 was the last truly great Utd team, 2011 was very much a kind draw allowing us to get to the final but we were miles away from Barca by this point.
I think the point where it really started to get serious was when City started signing players like Yaya Toure, Silva and Aguero real top tier talent that made a massive difference up to that point we'd been able to keep on top of them when those 3 came City were now level par with us.
In terms of Ole's future very little has changed in the last month for me there will be ups and downs the only change is the presence of Pochettino on the market I do think that changes things and Utd should be finding out what he thinks about the idea of taking over next season. If he fancies it then Utd certainly have to consider it as he is an upgrade on Ole as a coach and if Utd don't qualify for the CL next season then change has to be considered I know it might seem harsh but that has to remain the minimum standard even if the club is rebuilding.
You know that Mourinho wasn't Sir Alex or Sir Bobby's first choice to replace LVG? I read earlier this year (will try to find it) that Allegri was their preference, and Ed messed it up..Mourinho has basically admitted he allowed his frustration to build and destroy things at the club to the point where he had to be sacked he’d taken his team that finished 2nd the previous season to mid table. Yes he was right to be frustrated with the board for not signing players but you don’t always get what you want and he’d been extremely well backed the 2 previous summers. Rather than just try to make the most of the situation he was in maybe crept it was a fight for 4th that season he decided to burn the whole thing down.
Mourinho was not the right fit for Utd at that point he was probably the right man to take over post Fergie but after LVG it was not the right way to go and Woodward has to carry the can for that disaster last year you don’t give Mourinho a new contract then don’t back him. I don’t think he had everyone’s support from the start but when he started turning on his players I think the ex players in the media turned on him big time as they know once you do that it is curtains.
I’m glad he’s gone he was a horrible cloud over the club by the end he’d turned into a disgusting person in the way he treated everyone and again I think he’s recognised that. At Spurs he’s changed his coaching staff and I think he will try to evolve a bit tactically as a result he’s no fool he knows the old methods don’t work anymore football teams now have to score lots of goals to be successful.
Let’s not keep looking back at the previous manager we have to look forward the club has to stick with the plan to overhaul the playing squad as we know it’s not good enough. Doubts remain over the manager but let’s judge him by where he finishes after 38 games not 16 games things do need to improve but I think Utd have to have a contingency plan.
I never heard Allegri was Sir Alex or Sir Bobby’s first choice? Would be interested to find an article on this. I’m calling rubbish on that one unless it physically came from their mouth and not some made up media story.
The Ed Woodward Exposé | Feature | Lazy Fan Sports
Ed Woodward, Chief executive of Manchester United is a fraud. A man who wormed his way into controlling one of the biggest brands in human history.lazyfansports.com
Jordan Lombard is very credible. Check out his profileAn exposé on lazyfansports.com? I mean come on, that’s like me using Wikipedia in my reference list on a uni assignment.
Mourinho wasn't well backed in his first 2 summers let alone his 3rd when compared to:Mourinho has basically admitted he allowed his frustration to build and destroy things at the club to the point where he had to be sacked he’d taken his team that finished 2nd the previous season to mid table. Yes he was right to be frustrated with the board for not signing players but you don’t always get what you want and he’d been extremely well backed the 2 previous summers. Rather than just try to make the most of the situation he was in maybe crept it was a fight for 4th that season he decided to burn the whole thing down.
Mourinho was not the right fit for Utd at that point he was probably the right man to take over post Fergie but after LVG it was not the right way to go and Woodward has to carry the can for that disaster last year you don’t give Mourinho a new contract then don’t back him. I don’t think he had everyone’s support from the start but when he started turning on his players I think the ex players in the media turned on him big time as they know once you do that it is curtains.
I’m glad he’s gone he was a horrible cloud over the club by the end he’d turned into a disgusting person in the way he treated everyone and again I think he’s recognised that. At Spurs he’s changed his coaching staff and I think he will try to evolve a bit tactically as a result he’s no fool he knows the old methods don’t work anymore football teams now have to score lots of goals to be successful.
Let’s not keep looking back at the previous manager we have to look forward the club has to stick with the plan to overhaul the playing squad as we know it’s not good enough. Doubts remain over the manager but let’s judge him by where he finishes after 38 games not 16 games things do need to improve but I think Utd have to have a contingency plan.
Ole isn't the man. I don't care about becoming a sacking clubGive it a rest pal you’re talking garbage.
Go look back to posts on here in 2018 and you’ll see how pissed off everyone was about the lack of signings and where fingers were pointed. They weren’t pointed at Mourinho they were pointed at Woodward everyone wanted a director of football to come in to support the manager.
Year 1 - Bailly, Pogba, Mchitaryan and Zlatan
Year 2 - Lindelof, Matic, Lukaku, Sanchez
Year 3 - Grant, Dalot, Fred
No one knows who was picking the players and making the decisions we can only speculate about that based on rumour but that’s 11 signings over 5 transfer windows and by the end of his reign it seemed only Matic was a player he actually wanted in his team every week.
The finger points at everyone for that mess manager, scouts, directors and owners the club chucked a fortune down the toilet now a new manager has got to clear out the mess and start again.
As for 2013 as far as we know Fergie kept it all hidden same as Gill by the time it came to making a decision Woodward was basically in charge Mourinho was committed to going back to Chelsea and Utd took a gamble on Moyes. A stupid decision that backfired massively.
Ole isn't the man. I don't care about becoming a sacking club
When Allegri is available? When Pochettino and Blanc are available?He might not be but harking back to Mourinho is a waste of time he had his chance and it didn’t work out.
We need a manager who can work within the current structure and deliver success Mourinho wasn’t that man I think people rightfully have doubts over Ole but he should get this season to prove he is the man.
Not really- no manager has had the free ride Ole has faced. Worse points return than Mourinho in melt down mode.You do realise that every manager is going to tow the Glazer line or get sacked?
Not really- no manager has had the free ride Ole has faced. Worse points return than Mourinho in melt down mode.
Not really- no manager has had the free ride Ole has faced. Worse points return than Mourinho in melt down mode.
When Allegri is available? When Pochettino and Blanc are available?
Ole is towing the Glazer line and lowering our expectations
I agree, Fred in particular has improved, he's doing well with what he has. We should have won yesterday, for one their goal shouldn't have stood from what they said on the radio. Secondly we should have scored a few more. Just lacking that quality/experience.
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