So you're willing to give him over a season more despite the results he's had since taking the job full time? And build a team that potentially will need to be overhauled again if he's sacked?For me probably about 10 games into next season. Regardless of whether ultimately he is the right man he at least deserves the next 2 windows to improve it if we get rid of him and bring poch in and after 10 months we are the same or worse do we get tod of him too.
There are 3 men on my shortlist, of which 2 are immediately available. They are as follows:I would replace him with Pochettino if he became available.
Rodgers was appointed two months later than Solskjaer yet Leicester play with an identity.
We played with an identity in his first 3 months and then he inexplicably dropped Lukaku after 2 bad games and dropped Pogba deeper. He also doesn't understand the mental side of the game either (and am not referring to how this generation are seen to be lazy snowflakes). I'll give you an example of Ferguson understanding it and taking a player out of the team when they were suffering from mental fatigue in the Treble Year.Leicester aren't going through a major rebuild.
I'd give him next season to get into the top 4.
Agree 100%.Top 4 had to be the target at the start of the season but that looks a long way off
In terms of on the pitch I remain unconvinced.
Tactically Utd look exactly the same as they did under Mourinho
Set Pieces are an absolute joke the quality of delivery is poor and the tactic of clipping it to Maguire and hoping for a second ball is so basic
Squad building have to say he’s not tooled up his squad sufficiently for the season, this may be a board decision but either way we’ve been left well short.
Developing players are any of our existing players better now than they were 12 months ago?
To me he carries himself in the statesman like way we’d like to see our manager behave it’s done with class BUT I’m not seeing him as someone I trust. His vision feels like more harking back to the past not trying to take us in the future and be at the cutting edge. I think the 3 signings he’s made have been good but a much more aggressive approach was required in the summer simply put more had to be done.
For me if things don’t improve in the next 10 games and Utd are marooned in mid table or even worse then serious questions will have to be asked. I don’t think it’s panic and sack time but I think unless we see some green shoots of progress the club has to consider a plan B for the summer.
These type of performances can’t be tolerated at a club like Utd it’s not good enough take his name away and ask would we tolerate this from another manager?
I do wonder what would have happened if the club had waited I think the results would still have dropped off as he flogged the team until they broke and tactically he was worked out. My guess is they’d have gone to Allegri who I really rate but I think he’d have failed as he wouldn’t have been able to do what needed to be done with this squad the rotten apples needed to go.Agree 100%.
I don't think it is asking too much to demand the performances of when he was caretaker manager. We are tactically naïve and devoid of any creativity. I love Ole but he is not a manager who will improve players, and seems to be there to tow the club line.
United are going through a major rebuild to be a title challenging team. A major rebuild isn't/wasn't required to be a top four team.Leicester aren't going through a major rebuild.
Sorry bud but you're wrong. This is absolutely the worst team in the post Fergie era. Jose couldn't get us in to the top 4 and this scheme is significantly worse.I don't think a major rebuild was required for top four. The club should have signed a top quality midfielder or an attacker instead of a centre back and not let our best goal scorer leave.
Mourinho is a busted flush at the highest level.
I'm not wrong. At one point last season United were 4th with something like 10 games remaining. We ended up 5 points off 4th despite the collapse towards the end of the season.Sorry bud but you're wrong. This is absolutely the worst team in the post Fergie era. Jose couldn't get us in to the top 4 and this scheme is significantly worse.
You are wrong. We are 10th and a major rebuild was needed. You say we were 4th with 10 games to go and collapsed... What exactly do you think is happening still? Why can't people just be honest and recognise this team is actually utter garbage.I'm not wrong. At one point last season United were 4th with something like 10 games remaining. We ended up 5 points off 4th despite the collapse towards the end of the season.
As I say, Mourinho is done as a top flight manager.
I am not wrong. A major rebuild was not required to finish fourth. This squad is weaker now than it was last season.You are wrong. We are 10th and a major rebuild was needed. You say we were 4th with 10 games to go and collapsed... What exactly do you think is happening still? Why can't people just be honest and recognise this team is actually utter garbage.
When Mourinho was here constantly playing Lukaku it was ‘why does he keep playing Lukaku and not give Martial games through the middle.’I don't think a major rebuild was required for top four. The club should have signed a top quality midfielder or an attacker instead of a centre back and not let our best goal scorer leave.
Mourinho is a busted flush at the highest level.
it is, but that is part of the porcess.I am not wrong. A major rebuild was not required to finish fourth. This squad is weaker now than it was last season.
I disagree about a centre back. Our defensive record is very good, however the fixtures at the start of the season have been kind. Our goal scoring threat is letting us down; we are joint 10th for goals scored with Wolves and Norwich. I still stand by what I said in another thread, a solid defence is the final piece in the jigsaw for a title challenging team. See Liverpool and City. We would have got through the season with Lindelöf and Smalling. We can’t go through the season expecting to thrive on 1-0 victories. An attack minded team is more likely to finish in the top four than a team winning 1-0.we needed a new CB for sure, our goals conceded probably reflects that - I haven't checked. But our defence does look ok at the moment.
The midfield need looking at, but you can't do it all at once. And I imagine not knowing what Pogba was doing didn't help with that rebuild. I think next summer, sell him and rebuild the midfield from scratch. No messing, and no not knowing if he will go.
As for Lukaku, if he's not in the long term plan, then you have to sell when the bids come in. It's just a shame for us that Martial got injured.
Our squad is weak when fully fit, with injuries then it's too light weight. We don't have the ball players
I don’t think Lukaku should have been a regular starter. He would have an a very good alternative option, who was more likely to score a goal than any other player in the squad.When Mourinho was here constantly playing Lukaku it was ‘why does he keep playing Lukaku and not give Martial games through the middle.’
Sanchez is the only deadwood we let leave. I would have let Smalling and Lukaku leave next summer.it is, but that is part of the porcess.
The players we sold, were always going to get sold. You cannot hang onto them until it you want to let them go. It's not like people were knocking down our door to get at Lukaku, Sanchez, Smalling. If the bids come in, sell them.
It's just part of the process. The team was awful, it needed a complete rebuild and we have started. We have brought in three great players. A few more windows like that and we will be competitive. Sometimes it has to get worse to get better.
And to say its not awful and didn't need a rebuild, I think you must have watching a different team. You've got ask yourself why no one was coming in for our players. And the clubs that did, weren't even the best in Serie A. None of the big clubs want our players, because they are sub standard.
Pogba wanted to leave.Lukaku wanted to go don't forget. He was never a long term player for us. You cant wait two seasons, a decent bid came in that we would have never have got again. It was right to sell him. Unfortunately Martial got injured. I answered this in the other too.
It's funny how football can divide opinions so much. I wonder how that happens, when we all support the same club and want it to be strong again.