Griezmann to join Barcelona?

If he's asked why did you turn down Utd is he not entitled to offer an opinion.

Footballers are often the most boring people in interview he's actually given an reason why he rejected the move and then gets hammered for it.

He is an idiot the whole TV decision thing is ridiculously cringe having two endings to keep it all a bit secret is comical but I've got no problem whatsoever with him saying what he did about turning down Utd.

It was clear to me last summer he didn't fancy it if he really wanted to come here he'd have walked out on Atletico it was clear to me he didn't fancy it either because he didn't think we were better than his current team or he didn't want to work with the manager or maybe didn't want to move to England as he's lived in Spain for so long.
 
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I'm sorry but your argument loses all credibility when you say Simeone wipes the floor with Jose. You are choosing ignore what Jose has done at every club he's been at, but even if you take the last 5 years like you chose to, Jose's medal score is pretty much identical.
Simeone has had what, 7 seasons at that club, Jose has had 2.

It's just another Jose hater having an unfair pop at him. We all know you don't like him. But don't paint the club out to be awful to try and build even more anti Jose jibes.

The reality is, united wanted him last year, he decided to stay at where he was, we moved on and bought Lukaku. I don't suppose we have had any contact this year, and it wouldn't surprise me if Barca pulled out too and he is just making a smoke screen. He is typical of the French footballers attitude. And no he shouldn't speak about another club like that, those thoughts you keep to yourself.

There is absolutely no way anyone would choose to play for Atletico over Man Utd. You may think we are has beens, but we aren't, we are the biggest club in world football. I'm beginning to think we should just sell Pogba and Martial and move on, they don't want to play for the team, it's all about them personally. We would be much better off getting some team players in. And then maybe all the anti Jose stuff will disappear because all it does is bring the club down.

When you actually analyse the facts, Jose has done absolutely nothing wrong. The style is poor at times (again this could be down to the players because half time chats seem to gee them up). If we don't sort out some decent defenders this window then I do Jose being in trouble as he would have no excuse then.

I would swap Verratti for Pogba, Bale for Martial, if the De Gea rumours are true I would insist on Varane, and I would probably get Rose (sounds like Sandro could be back on).
 
Simeone has won 2 europa leagues, 1 league title, 2 runners up in CL, 1 Spanish cup and kept rebuilding his team despite losing his best players almost every season. Aguero, De Gea, Costa, Turan etc all important players picked off by bigger clubs but he's rebuilt them and kept them competitive despite them having a transfer ban, building a new stadium and having to compete with the two most dominant clubs in Europe over the last 10 years.

I'm not having a pop at Mourinho but he's not taken a club who were struggling and completely impossed himself on them to the point where they are competing at the very top level. Simeone to me reminds me of Mourinho in the Porto/Chelsea years before he became the bitter and twisted pr*ck he is now... that's a pop! Ha. Mourinho has done a perfectly fine job at Utd it's what I expected him to do because he isn't a complete idiot he knows what he's doing and how to get results my issue is I don't enjoy watching him do it never have never will but I do respect it.

@Mr C you go on about this attitude but they got to the Euro 2016 final, they've got players who've won multiple league titles and european titles and Griezmann on the pitch is a player anyone would want in their side you don't last under a manager like Simeone if you don't put the work in.

Utd are a massive name in world football but so are AC Milan & Liverpool and they've had barron periods like we do currently but modern players don't care about your history they want to win Utd have stopped doing that and until we do it again I think we will continue to find ourselves the second choice destination for players where you can earn a big contract. It's not a 1 or 2 year blip it's 5 years without a title or even a decent title challenge players will notice that and as Mourinho rightly pointed out since 2011 I think it's 1 European Cup 1/4 final we have fallen well below the standards that were set for a sustained period.

Mourinho might be the man to get us back to the top he might not we will probably find out over the next 12 months but it's pretty clear he couldn't sell the vision to Griezmann last summer because the club clearly spent a lot of time chasing him and yet he still rejected us despite the fact we'd have made him much richer than he currently is. I've got no beef with what he's free to do what he wants he owes us nothing at least he didn't drag it into August last summer leaving us scrambling for an alternative last minute.

Right now Atletico are a ahead of us as a club but if Utd sort themselves out then it wouldn't take long for us to get back above them they've just had a great period of success with a manager who fits the club perfectly and players who are willing to follow his every instruction to the letter. Utd right now don't really have that it's all still a bit broken but it's getting better.
 
I don't know how much richer we would have made him. The rumours are Atletico paid him £17.5m to stay this summer.

On top of this £200k a week contract. So that's £57m over 4 years. We surely wouldn't have made him much more money than that?

I don't care about him not joining just there was no need to be so disrespectful to one of the biggest clubs in the world. Imagine Pogba had come out with those comments we'd be tearing him a new one. Have more respect and professionalism.
 
Getting to a CL final isn't winning anything, or being a runner up in a cup. It's trying to dress up facts to push Jose down. Fake news :)

Jose has 1 league title, one europa and one domestic cup in that 5 year period. Simeone has on Europa cup more then.

But if we really want to analyse he has multiple league titles in 4 different leagues, CL winner with 2 clubs, domestic cups etc. His record wipes the floor with Simeone and to judge him on his two seasons at united, a club that was in a real mess is a mistake, he hasn't finished yet is an error really. And not really doing the man justice.

All people do is bring up the players Jose has pee'd off and beat him with that stick. Ignoring all the players who have moved with him and speak highly of him. Pep, Simeone, Conte, they all fall out with players. And I also disagree with your point about the size of the task Jose has. It is huge, the team was finished when Fergie left pretty much, we then had Moyes and Van Gaal with their scatter gun transfer approach to get over. No he hasn't the finished the task yet, but you can't fix that mess quickly. The club is in the best shape it has been post Fergie. I am excited for the new season.

United aren't a has been with only history, we have been listed as the biggest club in football this year. They have probably the most successful manager currently in world football (maybe that's Pep lets say top two) and they are building a side to win and compete.
If you are player and you choose atletico over united you are fool. It's different for Griezmann as he is already there, but I'd wager there was no offer from anywhere this year anyway.
I'm not denying he's a great player, he is superb, but that doesn't mean he can't have a poor attitude. In one media interview he has managed to pee off the fans for the club he plays for, and the two clubs he was rumoured to linked to. Just shut up mate. If you want to stay where you are fine, stop with all the media bull.
Again your point about the French side, on paper they should wipe the floor with everyone. Won nothing. They think they deserve everything, they have a poor attitude. I have them to win this WC, if they don't serious questions need to be asked.
 
Mourinho in the last 5 years has won 1 League title 1 Europa League 2 League Cups. Simeone is obviously a great manager but the idea he's levels above Mourinho is something i'm not having. If Simeone came to United everyone would quickly be moaning about the football he plays.

To say you've never enjoyed Mourinho's football is also ridiculous. His Chelsea side with Robben Duff Essien Lampard Ballack Cole Ferreria played fantastic football. His Real Madrid side played excellent football and set the record for for goals scored in La Liga whilst going up against probably the great club team of all time.

Like you said Simeone has 2 Europa league titles with Atletico and 2 runners up medals in the Champions League. Mourinho has 2 Europa League medals. With Porto and United and 2 Champions League winners medals with Porto and Inter. Mourinho has proven it everywhere he's gone. Simeone still hasn't stepped out of his comfort zone lets see how he fairs when he moves to a side where they aren't happy playing deep counter attacking football.

One thing i'm not having is that Fergie's side were done. Fergie comfortably wins the following season with the side he left if he hadn't retired.

Griezemann comments are indefensible either way though. If your man down the pub says it fair enough. But for him to come out and berate one of the biggest clubs in the world shows his inflated sense of ego. I have a bet on him to be top goalscorer at the world cup but I hope he has a shocker now. He's trying to make the World Cup about him and his talking should have been on the pitch not by recording multiple interviews.
 
One thing i'm not having is that Fergie's side were done. Fergie comfortably wins the following season with the side he left if he hadn't retired.

any other manager that sides wins nothing, even in his last season
 
Not going to carry on with the Mourinho vs Simeone stuff both are good managers and personally I don't enjoy watching their teams play but I do respect what they've achieved and I don't really care what Mourinho did at Chelsea or Madrid until I see signs of that at Utd because so far I'm not seeing it. I think as the manager of an under dog team you can play that way as the manager of Man Utd you couldn't which is why Simeone wouldn't fit with us and it's probably why Mourinho doesn't fit for a lot of fans.

Griezmann turned us down 12 months ago he's now explained why personally if that's the real reason why I can't knock his judgement as we are in transition and have been for 5 years which isn't surprising so he's probably right to sit tight at Atletico as right now I think they're just as likely to win a domestic league titles next season as we are and they are probably more likely to win a European Cup.

If Utd suddenly take the big steps forward we all want next season he might change his mind and see Utd as a good chance for him to win some trophies and Utd might still be interested in going for him and I'd have no problem with us signing him as long as he doesn't insist on doing a sequel to that TV show ha!
 
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Wonder who leaves to fund this?

Coutinho seems the obvious candidate but not sure where he goes unless it’s back to Liverpool at a cut price with his tail between his legs.

Dembele could be the other one if they’ve going for more of a 442 diamond do they need a specialist winger? Have the grown tired of his lack of professionalism.

Again another player who they’d be taking a big hit on financially but I guess they’d put it down to a panic after the whole Neymar thing caught them out.

Griezmann & Suarez would be some strike partnership with Messi providing the bullets from a slightly deeper roles. I don’t think Suarez can be a one man front line anymore workrate is to high.
 
Atletico confirm player has informed the club he doesn’t plan to continue with them next season suggestion is release clause has been met.
 
You can see why Barca are going for players like Griezmann because the likes of Messi, Suárez and Rakitic are the wrong side of 30. It hasn’t quite worked out for Malcom, Dembele and Coutinho. To be honest I think it would be worth going in for Dembele because they will need to recoup some funds you would think.

Obviously it’s not set in stone but it does look like Griez will go to Barca.
 
You can see why Barca are going for players like Griezmann because the likes of Messi, Suárez and Rakitic are the wrong side of 30. It hasn’t quite worked out for Malcom, Dembele and Coutinho. To be honest I think it would be worth going in for Dembele because they will need to recoup some funds you would think.

Obviously it’s not set in stone but it does look like Griez will go to Barca.

The major issue with Dembele seems to be all the talent in the world but lacks the professionalism to really make the most of it.

Doesn't live the monk style lifestyle you need to live as a footballer.

Reports are he's constantly turning up late because he's over slept, he doesn't eat brilliantly which effects his performance etc. Barca seem to be doing a lot to help him with this got him a personal chef and tried to get senior players to help encourage him with the right way to do things and they are seeing some improvements.

Not sure moving him to another foreign city will solve these problems.
 
The major issue with Dembele seems to be all the talent in the world but lacks the professionalism to really make the most of it.
Doesnt that sound like a certain Mr Martial, we dont want another one !

That miss against Liverpool would of probably made the job impossible for Liverpool, Messi's reaction said it all.

Think we should steer well clear of him.
 
Doesnt that sound like a certain Mr Martial, we dont want another one !

That miss against Liverpool would of probably made the job impossible for Liverpool, Messi's reaction said it all.

Think we should steer well clear of him.

It's all just rumour you never know what is and isn't true and lets say certain stereotypes about certain players often filter into the media.

For what it's worth this kid looks every bit the real deal he's had a rough time in Barcelona but he was an odd signing a straight up winger signed by a club who's manager didn't really play with wingers.

That said having struggled at Barca not sure Utd is the place for him Old Trafford is turning on players quickly the guys who come in have got to be mentally rock solid to deal with playing in that place right now.
 

All getting a bit tasty in Spain.

Atletico far from impressed by the behaviour of Barcelona and Griezmann in agreeing a deal in March.

Barca asking to defer the payment is a potential problem as they’ll either need to agree to pay more than the fee to appease Atletico or just back out of the deal which puts Griezmann in a spot of bother because it’s safe to say their fans want him gone over the way he’s behaved.
 
Barcelona trying to play hardball knowing Atlético had already spent the money?

What was he thinking not turning up to training? 2 week fine obviously. If Barca don’t stump up the cash for him it’ll be highly amusing. I’m glad we didn’t sign him he’s gone from what people thought was one of footballs nice guys to one of the biggest pricks. Always seems to involve the french.
 
Barcelona trying to play hardball knowing Atlético had already spent the money?

What was he thinking not turning up to training? 2 week fine obviously. If Barca don’t stump up the cash for him it’ll be highly amusing. I’m glad we didn’t sign him he’s gone from what people thought was one of footballs nice guys to one of the biggest pricks. Always seems to involve the french.

Barca are just being dicks because they can't actually afford to pay the fee without borrow money from the bank the way these release clause work is it's one lump sum payment made to the La Liga offices. Barca want to negotiate it with Atletico and split the payment over 3 or 4 years and Atletico would probably have done that if they hadn't found out about what Barca did.

Think I read something about him challenging the return date in Spain players are entitled to a minimum break once they finish so he was saying he's not actually due back at the club until Thursday.
 
he said he was leaving ages ago, clearly Barca spoke to him before Atletico, action should be taken
 
Problem is with these release clauses and how they work you have to "tap up" the player.

I don't think Atletico really have a problem with that what I think has peed them off is if you're going to do it at least pay the money don't do it then come and ask us for a favour.

The fact his release clause had this massive drop in it after 1 year of a new deal to me suggests it was always the plan to keep him for 1 season more then sell as they really wanted to have a crack at the CL last season with the final being in the new stadium.

The whole thing has been handled badly from a PR point of view why did Griezmann need to do his little announcement thing it made no sense just makes him look like a knob.
 
what happens if Barca decide to spunk all their money on Neymar.
 
Griezmann probably stays of finds another club willing to pay the buy out.

Would Madrid be interested?
Would PSG use the Neymar money to try and buy him?
Would Utd use the Pogba money to try and buy him?

He's burned his bridges if Barca are backing out to try and get Neymar he could be in for a very tricky summer.
 

So long and short of it is Atletico have complained to the league I guess they're just trying to force some more money from Barca to avoid it going through courts/tribunals etc.

You can see why they're annoyed Barca shouldn't be talking to him before the release clause drops but the way these clauses work clubs have to tap the player up in advance so it's a bit of a catch 22 situation.
 
Barcelona get £265 fine for breaking transfer rules when signing Griezmann. What is the point?
 
I skimmed the article but it kind of suggested that it was a 300 euro fine or a stadium closure for 1 game they didn't feel it met the criteria for the second punishment.

The RFEF's statement read: "Taking into account the economic capacity of the club and the amount of the fine, this committee is aware that the payment of 300 euros, beyond its merely symbolic character, will not damage the sanctioned club and, probably, will not persuade other clubs in the same situation in the future to adjust their conduct to the regulations."

However, the RFEF determined that was "not a sufficient reason" to impose a one-match closure of the Nou Camp - its only other possible sanction - which it says is reserved for "infractions of a different nature".


Even they know the fine is a joke sounds like they're powerless to do much about it within the current rules.
 
Is this move really working for him? I guess the goals ratio is ok. But would he have been better at PSG or somewhere without Messi
 
It's a real culture change for him he's used to being the top dog in and underdog team at Atletico now he's on the big stage and he's got to be the bitch to the superstar. Messi and Suarez clearly wanted the club to bring Neymar back rather than bring in Griezmann so he was already on the back foot the whole TV announcement stuff has made him rather unlikable as well kind of back fired on him and having it involve Pique probably didn't help things.

I guess with Suarez out for 4 months he's got a big chance to really cement his spot and build that relationship with Messi because Barca need it to work.

On paper it's the right move if you get the chance to make that move you make it but Barca has been a bit of a shambles recently despite the success so the pressure on any new player is huge and he hasn't lived up to the hype but is it realistic to expect him to.
 
Barca could be in for a United type slump when Messi goes.

Yeah they could easily be in trouble but they'll probably just buy Mbappe or whoever the new bright star is when this happens.

The bigger problem will be what happens when Messi becomes a bit of a liability will he be one of those players who just decides I'll go out at the top and retire or will he try and cling on to his career and make managers drop him or rotate him?

Imagine being the Barca manager who has to bench Messi because he's not doing it on the pitch anymore. Will they do what Madrid did with Ronaldo and just take £100m and let him have 2-3 years somewhere else in Europe before retiring?

I don't follow them that closely but by the sound of it off the field Barca are about as badly run as Utd are they've spent fortunes on players that haven't worked, the wage bill is huge and slowly bankrupting them, directors going in and out of courts on various charges. They keep putting back the essential works required to the stadium.
 
Rashford is outperforming Mbappe. If we don't buck up we could lose him.
 
Could be on his way back to Atletico.

Barca looking at a swap deal cash plus Saul Niguez.

According to recent reports Griezmann’s Barca contract is worth €800k a week! How the hell did they end up paying that for him when he was desperate to join them... no wonder they are basically bankrupt.
 

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