Without a doubt. Southgate was lost. Mancini got the upper hand and Southgate just stood there helpless. At the first interval he should switched up England's approach and then early on brought on the first sub, around 55 minutes, possibly Grealish. That would have changed the dynamic, and then once Grealish got a few touches he should have brought on Sancho, no later than 65th minute. Southgate should have thrown caution to the wind to win in it regular time. The equalizer was coming for a long time and once it happened, England's goose was cooked. Southgate had the players just not the tactical nous.The big thing for them to get over now is the mental part of it. I hope the weight doesn't get too heavy like for previous squads.
And it's about time the coaches at all levels taught penalties to be, pick a corner and whack it. I think most of the penalties missed in this tournament have been the ones waiting for the keeper to blink.
The two Harry's knew the score...boom.
Italy deserved it, the better team, but I think with a more expansive coach we could have won, I think we had the better squad. I'm not saying I want Gareth sacked, far from it, he'd doing really well. But he needs to learn, that was there for the taking.
That is brilliant physiology and obviously workedI read in Germany during the 90's not only did the coach pick the order of the penalty takers he would also tell the penalty takers where to shoot so they removed all decision making from the process for the player which they felt helped them to relax. They watched the players take penalties in training and decided which one they felt was their best penalty and basically told them to shoot like that in the game if it went to a shoot out.
Penalty taking certainly has become a lot more cat and mouse with the keepers and I think the margin for error has reduced in the last 20 odd years as keepers can now move sideways on the line but I'm not a fan of the stuttering or hop. Bruno does it and he's ridiculously consistent with his numbers so I guess it all just comes down to technique.
Sadly for those boys on the night their technique let them down at the crucial moment.
Spot on mateSouthgate bottled this. Italy were all over the shop in the first half and instead of going for them, we limped to halftime the poorer side. There were moments in the game like the first half, the end of the 90 and ET where we needed to be brave and retake the initiative and go for them. Instead we made cowardly subs and were too scared of losing the control we didn’t have to properly go for it.
Rashford and or Sancho should’ve been on earlier. Same with Grealish. Give them something to think about. Make them defend down the flanks. Scare them. Instead we were too shit scared to risk going forward and unsurprisingly bottled pens.
Speaking of which, players you didn’t trust to play meaningful mid are trusted with 3-5 pens? A 19 year old is 5th? Sterling doesn’t step up and demand one like Maguire did? We had moments when we could’ve grabbed victory and make it ours and we were too scared to risk losing to win it. fecking gutted.
plus booze was on sale in Wembley way I think.
It needed more police, I read there were 300 at the start of the match
That's what I said budWhere the policing failed was allowing booze to be consumed in places like Leicester Square and on Wembley Way
Hopefully he will learn but needs to be more positive the upside is that the brilliant young talent that we have will be 18 months more experienced with a Final under their beltsAnyway back to the point.
As a football team where do England go from here?
Southgate obviously isn't going to leave his post before the World Cup in 18 months you'd think qualification should all but be guaranteed with this group but can Southgate change this team so that it can handle a 90/120 minute contest against a top opponent without spending the vast majority of the game on the back foot.
I know he looked to France in 2018 and how they were solid as a unit but they were still able to keep the ball against top sides in the last 2 tournaments where England have gone out we've spent huge chunks of games without the ball and that has killed us. Can Southgate change that in the next 18 months before Qatar 2022?
Short answer: no.snip
Southgate obviously isn't going to leave his post before the World Cup in 18 months you'd think qualification should all but be guaranteed with this group but can Southgate change this team so that it can handle a 90/120 minute contest against a top opponent without spending the vast majority of the game on the back foot.
I know he looked to France in 2018 and how they were solid as a unit but they were still able to keep the ball against top sides in the last 2 tournaments where England have gone out we've spent huge chunks of games without the ball and that has killed us. Can Southgate change that in the next 18 months before Qatar 2022?
I'm saying it wasn't a minority at Wembley. There are lots and lots stories doing the rounds.
I guess it depends on what you call a minority.
Apparantly there were only 300 police there, which doesn't seem right.
Short answer: no.
Southgate played defensively against minnows too. He's not the type to unleash the kraken. Look at how Mancini made changes tactically and then subbed on players to further implement changes. The England team is better than the Italians yet they lost to them. If Mancini or someone like him comes available you should hire him immediately and send Southgate packing.
Some English fans are absolute animals. It is just a minority but it’s really hard to decipher what must be going through their heads to do some of the stuff that happened at Wembley. Yes a lot of it is booze filled but absolute no excuse, most people can still behave normal with a few beers in side them.
So proud of the team but absolutely ashamed of some of the English fan base.
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