Sideshow Bob
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The Sun (yes, so probably made up) saying Jesse wants to stay at OTIt certainly seems a link that isn’t going away.
I like him but not tested at the very top level and we will be paying a big premium like we did for AWB and Maguire.
Would lingard want to join West Ham if he knew Rice was leaving?
I mean I'm not quite sure why any team would pay big money to sign him. I've not seen a ton of him but what I've seen I think he looks a good DM but certainly not world class. He's not worth the sums of money being reported by a long shot.Did see another report saying Rice will probably stay at West Ham for another year as the club will price him out of a move still got years on his deal.
I mean I'm not quite sure why any team would pay big money to sign him. I've not seen a ton of him but what I've seen I think he looks a good DM but certainly not world class. He's not worth the sums of money being reported by a long shot.
And that's where I'm so. He's a good player from what I've seen (and I'll admit that's not a lot). He's got potential to get better of course because he's young. But he's not a top 5 CM and for the money being discussed you want that. I'm not even sure he's got the potential to be top 5 CM.I do think he's a good player but right now the price being quoted is ludicrous he's under a long contract so no one is going to go near him until the price comes down.
And that's where I'm so. He's a good player from what I've seen (and I'll admit that's not a lot). He's got potential to get better of course because he's young. But he's not a top 5 CM and for the money being discussed you want that. I'm not even sure he's got the potential to be top 5 CM.
Not saying I totally disagree, but I do remember people saying the same thing about a bloke called Roy Keane... and if Lingard was a make-weight, the cost might not be too badAnd that's where I'm so. He's a good player from what I've seen (and I'll admit that's not a lot). He's got potential to get better of course because he's young. But he's not a top 5 CM and for the money being discussed you want that. I'm not even sure he's got the potential to be top 5 CM.
No thank you. He hasn't impressed in the Euros and for the price West Ham would want, we could do better.
EDIT: He's also playing a double pivot. We need somebody who can do that job on their own.
This is the crux of the problem: Pogba flourishes in a midfield 3, Bruno needs the double pivot. What does Rice bring to both formations? Can Rice play instead of Fred? If yes, let's get him. I don't think he's that impressive but if he improves our starting XI and it's a choice of getting Rice or no one, get him.Depends if you're building for life with or life without Pogba. If we're going to have Bruno in this team we probably need our midfield to be the double pivot style as you're not going to want to reign in Bruno into a more defensive role by putting him in the 3. Just keep him near the opponents goal for maximum damage.
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This is the crux of the problem: Pogba flourishes in a midfield 3, Bruno needs the double pivot. What does Rice bring to both formations? Can Rice play instead of Fred? If yes, let's get him. I don't think he's that impressive but if he improves our starting XI and it's a choice of getting Rice or no one, get him.
My worry is, did we think the same about Frank Lampard - maybe you have to get a player before he becomes absolutely the best in his position (and pay for that). Roy Keane on day one at United was nothing like the Roy Keane he matured into. My feeling is Rice is definitely an upgrade on McFred and could possibly do the job on his own at United. On the other hand, if Ole buys him to play as part of a "two" then it's pretty pointless - and we won't win things that way with anyone. I disagree with those saying Rice hasn't been good for EnglandDepends if you're building for life with or life without Pogba. If we're going to have Bruno in this team we probably need our midfield to be the double pivot style as you're not going to want to reign in Bruno into a more defensive role by putting him in the 3. Just keep him near the opponents goal for maximum damage.
Rice plays a more defensive role for West Ham and England with Soucek/Phillips being the more forward thinking player.
I was way to drunk to judge his performance accurately against Germany but considering he was in the book after 10 minutes I felt he was excellant after than breaking up the play around our box but kept his discipline well. To me he looks a better version of McTominay and there's no doubt Rice improves our midfield options.
I do like Rice but I just think the fee West Ham want is unrealistic for him because he is so important to them maybe £30m plus Lingard he's worth the gamble but you feel like they want a lot more than that as they see him as the long term replacement for Noble.
Let's be honest if Rice spends his whole career at West Ham something has gone very wrong for him.
Not really. He'll be 26 when the contract ends. 25 when they have to let him go. His prime is still there and a massive contract. But I think West Ham will sell him got £65m this summer they're screwed for money. They were even name checked by the Juventus owner the other day as a side that's likely to go bankrupt this off season
You are going to lose the ball a fair amount when you are a creative player - that’s just the nature of the beast. You won’t get every pass correct and sometimes it is the movement in front of him that isn’t great, which in turn make those passes that little bit harder.I read a Bruno interview this week, he said he is a high risk player, loses the ball a lot trying to create. I'm not sure that's good enough really.
Either he needs better movement in front of him or he needs to be more clever.
We definitely lose the ball too much.
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