Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by Sideshow Bob, Jan 14, 2018.
General thread for cricket in 2018.
Well this is going to put him out of England contention for quite a while longer. Affray is not as bad as GBH by a long way but could still get a prison sentence but more likely it’s gonna be a suspended sentence and some community service/fines.
Naughty naughty Australians.
Blatant cheating to try and get ahead. There is going to be some consequences for that. The fact that Steve Smith admitted that it was cooked up by himself and others is disgraceful really. As a leader to cheat and to purposefully put a young guy finding his way in cricket to do the dirty deed is shocking, he should resign but don’t think he will from his press conference.
You’d hope that cricket Australia would punish those involved and stop picking them but this is sadly a bit of the dark side of the game at top level I imagine most teams push the boundaries and their mistake was getting caught.
Yeah apparently Cricket Australia are investigating as we speak, can’t see how Smith can continue, you have to lead by example and he hasn’t. Incidentally Smith and Warner have stepped down for the rest of this Test.
Makes me wonder if Australia were employing these tactics against England when they were getting prodigious reverse swing.... or maybe England were just that bad!
There’s an element of home condition knowledge when it comes to reverse but you wonder if that’s just what home bowlers know will work in their conditions. Broad raised that exact point today why would they pick this moment to change their methods?
Smith & Warner have some stepped down for the rest of the series.
I imagine those involved could face some long bans for doing what they did.
Smith has been banned for one test and fined 100% of his match fee by the world governing body, he's also resigned as captain of his IPL franchise.
Ban isn't long enough in my opinion. I think people are being naive to believe this is the first time they've done this or something similar. Footage has emerged of Bancroft pouring sugar into his pocket during the Ashes. Bancroft's batting average is pretty poor so maybe this is why he's been able to keep his place...
I think there are a number of people in that dressing room that know about. Smith spoke of a leadership group speaking about it so you'd have to assume that 2nd and 3rd choice captain would be part of that.
Awful publicity for the game but really enjoyed watching yesterday's coverage with the South Africans bowling aggressively at the Australian batsmen, some deliveries brought a new meaning to ball tampering! haha
Morne Morkel should not be retiring, a superb performance with the ball!
My concern is are they idiots for getting caught whereas other teams are being more subtle but in international cricket with all those cameras looking for controversy keeping it hidden is almost near impossible. As you say the sugar in the pocket now looks very suspicious as others will say why did they suddenly decide to do this now.
The penalty for it have always been fairly easy but you wonder if public opinion in Australia might force cricket Australia to go one step further. The Aussies are a lot of things but they have always felt you play fair and this is a massive embarrassment for them.
Yeah I can’t for one moment imagine this is an isolated incident. The sugar in the pocket thing is super suspect and obviously accusations will be coming from everywhere now. Smith says this was the first time but how can we trust a cheater? His reputation has been sullied forever - he is one of the very best batsman in the world right now but his reputation has taken a huge hit.
I could imagine Warner being a central figure to the ball tampering suggestion. He’s never been squeaky clean and can imagine him fronting him up and suggesting it. Think Bancroft was just the canary but he’s old enough to man up and be like err nah this is ridiculous. He’s not some impressionable 17 year old like Amir when he deliberately bowled no balls.
And as for Morkel, yeah the guy is still world class. His wicket tally would be so much higher but he has this habit of taking wickets off no balls! Think maybe he has a county cricket contract lined up for one last payday - sure someone like Surrey would pay him really well.
Someone made a good point on the radio the other day that this tends to be more common in county games because there's only 2 cameras fixed on the wicket so it's easy to get up to all sorts of tricks and it's even more common at local level where you have no cameras. Everyone knows the tricks of the trade and every country seems to have a "method" of getting the ball to reverse swing especially in home conditions as there are certainly secrets to getting it to reverse early. For Australia it's become obvious that Bancroft was their guy and his mistake was getting caught by the camera's but I don't for one minute doubt that everyone in that dressing room knew what was doing.
Yeah I would be baffled if there was only one or two who knew about it. Also I do wonder if the coach did know about it. Suppose until a thorough investigation is done it’s all speculation.
That is true about county cricket, obviously they do have cameras like you say but no-one really focusing on the antics in the middle. I would like to think that players in county cricket have more honour than purposely going out to cheat but I didn’t think Smith would get involved in it either because he seemed like an honest sort of guy.
So Smith, Warner and Bancroft have been sent home with punishments to be learnt in the next 24 hours. Lehmann has escaped punishment after having no knowledge.
Can see long bans coming up for those players.
Turns out it was sandpaper that they used to try to alter the ball.
Cricket Australia have handed out the following bans
Warner 12 month ban and will never be considered for any leadership roles in the national team
Smith 12 month ban and banned for 2 years from any leadership roles
Bancroft 9 month ban and banned for 2 years from any leadership roles
Lehmann found to have had no involvement his reason for coming on the walkie talkie was apparently to ask what was going on.
Guess the 12 month bans were kind of expected. I’m glad Cricket Australia have not let them off with hefty fines and small bans. Although it may seem like 12 months but the repercussions past the year will be all to see. Would be surprised to see Warner back in an Aussie shirt, he’s in his thirties now so this could be it for him. Bancroft was just the canary so he may come back. I can see Smith coming back but you never quite know.
It was so stupid from Smith because the way his career was going, he had the chance to catapult up the leading test run scorers of all time. The whole affair was just idiocy from all involved.
Now Lehmann has stepped down. You could see he was really hurting from his press conference. Shame the players have put him in this position.
Although the interview with Smith was quite hard to watch. He is definitely remorseful for sure. Gonna be a tough road back for him to get back into the Australia setup.
Currently England on course to break the ODI record vs Australia
434-3 with 5 overs still to play
Hales & Morgan currently swinging for the fences.
Haven’t been watching but been following on cricinfo. Absolute carnage.
500 is on for sure. 496 is the List A record. With Hales and Morgan smashing it, I wouldn’t put it past them. Bet they wish they could play at Trent Bridge every game!
Didn't quite make it to 500
481-6 off 50 overs.
21 6's in total
20/20 has really changed the game think there's a case for the ODI being the most entertaining form of the game now as it gives the right balance you still need to look after your wickets but the scoring is crazy compared to where it was 5 years ago.