@Edgy1968 here you go mate you can start threads yourself. Haha! Anyway back to the serious stuff today marks the 60th anniversary of the Munich air crash. This year a group of Utd fans have actually raised some money to help refresh the memorial in Munich and they're out there making the donation to local memorial fund. Obviously this marks a huge point in our clubs history and it's right remembered every year even if Fred the Red being part of the minutes silence or sponsors logos on memorial banners have made it feel a bit corporate. Not sure there's anything that can really be added to what is already written this tragedy took the lives 23 people who were travelling home to Manchester a mixture of football players, club officials, press & crew. 5live did a show the other night called how the club rebuilt after Munich which should be available now as a podcast if you go to the BBC five live sports specials section, it's also available on Iplayer or possibly even through their website.